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vex! But, whilst chatting with a Yemeni bloke who had a store in Flatbush, he seh most Jamaicans aren't good! However, he said most Guyneez, Treeknees, Grenadians are...did acknowledge that few are ragamuffins!

In reply to BeatDball

If he has a store on Flatbush, I am confident that most of his customers are Jamaicans, another in the community biting the hands that have been feeding him for years. Take their money but talk bad about them behind their backs, I think there is a Jcan word for that! John crow aka Joncro!

We have learned long ago not to trust Arabs or buy from their stores. The Arabs are responsible for conducting mass murders, mass castration and mass relocation of black people from the Middie East and Northern Africa. Now they have entrenched themselves into countries like Egypt giving the impression like they were the original inhabitants or the ones who built the pyramids.
When we watch World Cup teams, we see that there are no real Africans on any of the Northern African teams.

In reply to BeatDball

Don't forget that anything bad that happens within the Caribbean diaspora, Jamaicans get 'credit'.

We doubt whether this Yemeni can distinguish.

In reply to Drapsey

That’s so true. I remember when I lived in New York and worked on the World Trade Center building, a coworker came to the office and reported that a Jamaican was committing crime in her Staten Island neighborhood. I said to her, “how do you know this guy is Jamaican? Have you seen his passport or birth certificate. Is I am Jamaican written in his forehead?” Sure enough the very next week the news reported that the guy was from an African country. In New York if you are black and have a so-called accent then you are deemed Jamaican, as Jamaica is the most popular “black country “ in USA.

In reply to BeatDball

And you BeatDball sounds like you are glorifying the comments instead repudiating them, we cannot even trust some of those among us, they gleefully allow others to divide us as Caribbean people.

Even many white Jamaicans reported how they on several occasions had to repudiate comments made in US about their Jcan brothers.

In reply to BeatDball

why would I give a whisk what a Yemenite think about me.

In reply to Slipfeeler Lie! In the 80s/90s...not anymore.

In the 80s I was a student at Manchester Uni.doing a Diploma in Auto Engineering,I once bought 4 cans of Larger from an Indian owned OFF Licence.I took it on credit to pay him in 2 days later,I forgot all about it, as a week went by.One day going home after Uni,I heard a loud voice shouting ,"aye you boy from Kingston come back and pay me my money",here's is the problem,if you don't hear me talk you wouldn't say I am West Indian,I usually speak English and an accent which to others sounds Yard a bit.Yes it is true Jamaicans always get the blame.

In reply to Slipfeeler Real Africans...as in blacker than Frank Bruno's dressing gown?!!

In reply to Slipfeeler

Sounds like the Chinese store owners

In reply to birdseye

Exactly
Then need to take care of dental hygiene anyway many of them have brown teeth

In reply to BeatDball

Absolutely YES, you are saying it like it’s meant to be an insult, as per your mindset, I guess years of brainwashing and stereotyping have gotten the best of you.

In reply to Slipfeeler

I'll do a repost later. The software on this site is beyond ridiculous.

In reply to KTom

My only response to you will be by way of a history lesson, as many of us are ignorant of African history, of which, we are not to be blamed due to the overwhelming and deliberate emphasis on brainwashing us into believing that Europeans and Arabs are original inhabitants of the Middle East and Northern Africa.

“The Arab migrations to the Maghreb[a] involved successive waves of migration and settlement by Arab people in the Maghreb region of North Africa (excluding Egypt), encompassing modern-day Algeria, Libya, Morocco and Tunisia. The process took place over several centuries, lasting from the early 7th century to the 17th century. The Arab migrants hailed from the Middle East, particularly the Arabian Peninsula, with later groups arriving from the Levant and Iraq.

The influx of Arabs to the Maghreb began in the 7th century with the Arab conquest of the Maghreb, when Arab armies conquered the region as part of the early Muslim conquests. This initial wave of Arab migration was followed by subsequent periods of migration and settlement, notably during the Umayyad and Abbasid caliphates and later Arab dynasties. However, the most significant wave of Arab migration occurred in the 11th century with the arrival of more Bedouin tribes from the Arabian Peninsula, such as Banu Hilal, Banu Sulaym, and Maqil.[8] The last significant wave of Arab migration to the Maghreb was from Al-Andalus in the 17th century as a result of the Reconquista. These migrants established numerous Arab empires and dynasties in the Maghreb, such as the Aghlabids, Idrisids, Sulaymanids, Salihids, Fatimids, Saadians and 'Alawites.

The Arab migrations to the Maghreb had a profound impact on the demographics and culture of the Maghreb. It resulted in significant Arab demographic growth, forced displacement and Arabization of the Berber and Punic populations and spread of the Arabic language and Arab culture throughout the region. The descendants of the Arab settlers in the Maghreb are known as Maghrebi Arabs. According to Charles-André Julien, a specialist in North African history, the Hilalian invasion was "the most important event of the entire medieval period in the Maghrib" “

We always tend to forget one important factor that man originated from Africa, and for Ktom and BeatDball, it gets worst for you guys because original man was as black as BeatDball described, maybe even blacker

In paleoanthropology, the recent African origin of modern humans or the "Out of Africa" theory (OOA)[a] is the most widely accepted[1][2][3] model of the geographic origin and early migration of anatomically modern humans (Homo sapiens). It follows the early expansions of hominins out of Africa, accomplished by Homo erectus and then Homo neanderthalensis.

H. sapiens most likely developed in the Horn of Africa between 300,000 and 200,000 years ago,[7][8] although an alternative hypothesis argues that diverse morphological features of H. sapiens appeared locally in different parts of Africa and converged due to gene flow between different populations within the same period.[9][10] The "recent African origin" model proposes that all modern non-African populations are substantially descended from populations of H. sapiens that left Africa after that time.

In reply to Slipfeeler

Your only response will be by way of a cut and paste. A poor excuse for what's meant to be a discussion board. Who were the main inhabitants of North Africa before the arrival of the Arabs/Muslims? Were they black Africans or were they peoples already closely related to the Near/Middle East?

The blame game,bad mouth on Jamaicans overseas is not new.
Perhaps Jamaicans are known to be expressive in language and swagger and in
seem to adopt a high profile stance more than other migrants even if they don't
really have it so they become better known.

This came to the fore in 1958 in Britain in what is still known as the Notting Hill Riots
which resulted from some dispute among black and whites

Jamaicans being the most popular of that race were blamed for starting this which escalated
to the point where Norman Manley,Premier of Jamaica had to fly to Britain as the Riots became
destructive and threatened to blow up England.
Racial problems were ever a part of England from the Windrush folks went there to rebuild the
failed empire land when benefits were very scarce.

When the dust was settled it was disclosed that Jamaicans did not start the event but Jamaicans were blamed for
it,not fellow Caribbean or African folks.
Fast forward to the late 80s here in Philadelphia when I got involved with some cricket here in Philadelphia.
Met and became friendly with an Antiguan...he has since passed...but one of the first things he told me
and others was that an Antiguan was the main culprit and he was also involved as a worker in the Transit system.
Not Jamaican was at the forefront but they who did ,never made corrections at the time an flew under the radar.
We had fun with it though.

In retrospect, I can remember the splash headlines in the Jamaica Gleaner detailing the Riots. It was Big deal.
But such is life, Jamaica's name was easy to call. Here in Philadelphia, when I use to be in circulation I have had to
correct some Americans here too..More than once I was asked what part of Jamaica is Barbados or Trinidad.
Things have changed a lot now. But Geography is perhaps America's worst subject in all levels
of school here.
But I like when deportation of black people is front and centre and people from Africa, Haiti claim
Jamaica as their homeland and come have even been deported to Yard as there chances of beating the
system to return to the USA were much better at one time. Perhaps still is.

That same Antiguan friend also mentioned that the fastest bowler he saw was a little man from Jamaica
in the summer of 1956 but could not recall his name until I mentioned Gilchrist. He immediately concurred and said
his older brother Eugene Brown who represented Antigua in the game against a Jamaica Next Xi had his
stumps flattened by Gillie before his bat came down when Anigua played a 2-Day warm up against the
Jamaica team which went on to play Guyana in a non FC game over 4 days with the then BG team
with Kanhai,Butcher and Solomon beating the Jamaicans.
Cricket always play a part in shaping relationship and friendship even if it it takes the history of riot in a far off land and
decades to do so.

In reply to KTom

The original inhabitants of the entire continent of Africa were black Africans. Europeans with their usual policy of divide and ruled, socioeconomically and racially divided the continent into Sub-Saharan and Supra-Saharan, with mass relocation, mass enslavement and mass murder and castration of darker-skinned Africans, to fulfill their racial agenda. Until they discovered the wealth of resources, minerals, oil, gold, diamond, plutonium, uranium, bauxite and the entire world’s supply of raw materials existed in Sub-Sahara Africa. Without African raw materials, the entire Europe and North America would cease to exist economically. Like that Yemeni shopkeeper in Brooklyn, they all choose stereotype, humiliate, racialize and discriminate against the very hands that have been feed them and providing the economic stimulus to their respective economies for years. Now, many African nations have started to expel European and American military/spies from their countries and rightly so, it’s about time.

In reply to Slipfeeler

No
Not all black africans

The originals from Chad were as we say ‘red’

That can easily slip into the lighter hues of Libya to Morocco

...
The earliest humans who lived in Africa were anatomically modern humans, and their physical characteristics likely varied over time and across regions.
These populations gradually developed traits that we associate today with different groups due to adaptations to their environments (e.g., skin pigmentation as a response to UV radiation).

Africa has always been highly diverse, even in ancient times.
The genetic and cultural diversity across the continent today reflects a long history of migrations, intermixing, and environmental adaptation.
For example, groups like the San (Bushmen) in Southern Africa represent some of the oldest genetic lineages in the world.

Africa was not just the original home of modern humans; it also saw subsequent migrations and exchanges with populations from other regions.
For instance, North Africa has long been influenced by populations from the Middle East and Europe, leading to a mix of genetic and cultural traits.

The original inhabitants of Africa—our human ancestors—were anatomically modern humans whose physical characteristics would have varied.
The concept of "Black Africans" as a unified identity is a much later development rooted in modern history and social constructs.
Africa's history is one of incredible diversity, complexity, and interconnectedness that resists simple categorizations.

In reply to sgtdjones

I have no problem with diversity, intercultural and interracial integration, it only becomes problematic when one race or group of persons decide to assert or empower or enforce themselves over a race or group of people for socioeconomic gains. Legalization of racism has destroyed the social and economic fabric of many African societies by Europeans and enforced by Arabs. The underdevelopment of the African continent by Europeans so as to control its natural resources to augment or stimulate European and North American economies is one one the greatest injustice in the world history. How would you guys feel about your neighbour stealing all your resources, raping your wife and children, treating you as inferior, harassing you and talking badly about, while using your resources to build and beautify his home?

In reply to Slipfeeler Give us that exact timeline when Europeans/Arabs set foot on the continent!

In reply to BeatDball

The first Europeans to enter Southern Africa were the Portuguese, who from the 15th century edged their way around the African coast in the hope of outflanking Islam, finding a sea route to the riches of India, and discovering additional sources of food.

The first white man to actually arrive in South Africa was Bartolomeu Dias, from Portugal, circa 1487. The Portuguese would continue to visit but not create settlements.

Islam arrived in North Africa (the Maghreb) just seven years after the death of the Prophet Mohammed in 639. The 4,000 strong Arab invading forces came from Mecca under the leadership of the military ruler Amr ibn.

Islam had already spread into northern Africa by the mid-seventh century A.D., only a few decades after the prophet Muhammad moved with his followers from Mecca to Medina on the neighboring Arabian Peninsula (622 A.D./1 A.H.). The Arab conquest of Spain and the push of Arab armies as far as the Indus River culminated in an empire that stretched over three continents, a mere hundred years after the Prophet’s death. Between the eighth and ninth centuries, Arab traders and travelers, then African clerics, began to spread the religion along the eastern coast of Africa and to the western and central Sudan (literally, “Land of Black people”), stimulating the development of urban communities.

Instead, the question could be rephrased to “Are Arabs indigenous to Africa?”. The short answer is no. Ethnic Arabs are indigenous to Asia, not Africa.

In reply to Slipfeeler

Well, based on the above information, President Idi Amin of Uganda got it right, when he said “Africa is for Africans, that is, Black Africans”.

Although black people captured and controlled several parts of Europe, at that time Europeans were considered as barbarians, lacking in social skills or even an intelligent society but you will never hear any black persons claiming to be Europeans. So why are Europeans and Arabs claiming to be Africans?

I know your very next question, so let me answer it before you even ask:
The Moors existed and ruled in Europe for over 700 years, and resided in the royal houses of Europe where they collaborated on many levels with each other, which included marriage.

In reply to Slipfeeler

Amin may have inadvertantly did the Asians a favour because many became very rich,educated and some became doctors,lawyers and proficient in many fields.Not long after kicking out the Asians Amin was sending out invitations to Egyptians to come and run the many businesses the Asians left,not many went.What Amin should have done was,pass a law telling the Asians to train Africans in different aspects of running shops,stores and different skills, and then send them on their way.I don't know if it's true, but when Ugandans tried to run the businesses that Indians left they couldn't cope,they knew nothing about business.Those who were given a shop were charging prices for example,a trousers were selling for the waist size,so a size 30 was selling for 30 shillings,some stuff were over priced and some were undercharged.It was real bacchanal in Uganda for years without the Asians.It took years for Uganda to be back on its feet and thrive as it once did.Amin wasn't a smart man as we all
knew.

I'm glad the world is moving away, somewhat gradually, from ethnicity to nationality/citizenship status. Fools, stop.

In reply to Slipfeeler

Arabs are the biggest colonialist under the radar!

In reply to granite

In reply to JahJah

So you know that a Ugandan Asian told me that story,I never knew an Asian Ugandan,I read everything on our Newspaper and don't recall what paper it was.Be brave man own up to some truths.Would you like me to write more of what I saw on a BBC Docu,about Asians who went to Kenya,look man me going stop here coz me nah wah you come chat shit fuh me,now go lang.

In reply to granite

I understand your perspectives with regards to black Ugandans incapable of managing the various businesses which could have been attributable to colonialism. Remember the previous colonial masters refused to educate black people, or even involve them in any type of job training. The Asians also contributed to the situation, willingly took the blacks money, made huge profits due cheap black labor but did not reinvest in black communities or education, or training blacks to control their own businesses. That’s why Idi Amin decided to kick them out of Uganda, for they were profiting from the country but refused to convert those profits into building communities, only their own families and extended families in Asia profited, while black Ugandans left living in poverty and squalor. While you are thinking that Idi Amin was wrong? I guess everyone has their own perspectives, you think that Asians should continue to live off the backs of black people in Uganda.

In reply to Slipfeeler Wealthy Indo-Ugandan$ give
back a lot! Run guh ask mih bwoy (whom I share birthday with) Musceveni! Now, gwallang.

In reply to Slipfeeler

Thank you sir,I am happy that you respond with an intelligent post with info that I am well aware of but what I said was,and Jah Jah forgot to mention was,"Amin should have forced the Asians to teach the Africans skills in business that they run etc.and then kick them out".Thank you for going further to explain how the Africans were kept down by the colonial boss with the help of the Asians.

In reply to granite

You may not know that many supply sources to goods needed to restock those businesses were cut off. Note also that The West conditioned access to lending agencies on Uganda making whole (reparations) those Asians who lost their businesses. Ludicrous to believe pants price was based on waist size. Currently in Uganda you can't even get govt jobs without a 2nd degree and that's even with nepotism/cronyism included

In reply to Brerzerk

There was actually a movie with Denzil Washington and Indian star actress, Mira Nair, about Uganda at that time, “Mississippi Masala”.

In reply to granite

It looks like I touched a nerve and thus you ranted in a rather unintelligible manner. You can talk all you want about Amin. I care not for him. You can also continue to push the narrative that Black people are dunce. Have at it.

In reply to JahJah The elites just want to be the ruling & not the economic class

In reply to Slipfeeler

." The Asians also contributed to their situation, willingly took the blacks money, made huge profits due cheap black labor but did not reinvest in black communities or education, or training blacks to control their own businesses"

That was not their job that is the job of any government . even today musaveni welcomed back hundreds of indians and they now control 70% of the business in uganda .what has really changed in uganda? a largely black uneducated population that owns nothing with a minority indian population that controls the economy

Understandably some Ugandan Asians have regained their prominent role in the country's economy, following their mass expulsion more than four decades ago.
However, Ugandan Africans are now involved in farm ownership and shop-keeping, which in the past had been almost solely Asian sectors.
Not so certain about your large uneducated population owning nothing, of course, any intelligent person would repudiate that comment. One of my Ugandan colleague owns what looks like a mansion in her country and her husband is making plans to return to Uganda from Canada soon.