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Awesome!


Doesn’t seem to be available in the USA as yet….

In reply to FanAttick

What I see is an imitation Land Rover Defender!

In reply to StumpCam

Imitation is the best form of flattery

In reply to FanAttick

Destined to be the next Huawei?

In reply to FanAttick

Posted this one and many others a few months ago..available in T&T this year along with all the others..USA's loss..

In reply to Halliwell

Bro you not on top the Chinese electric car game ? Huawei is a top brand and even supply display interface for european cars...these Chinese cars are taking over...they are amazing...legacy automakers in big trouble....also byd isleading in battery technology, their blade batteries are the safest and most effecient and they also supply to other manufacturers..

CHina EV this China EV dat.

At any point in history, has a Chinese-made vehicle of any type, ever been comparable to those from major global automakers in terms of reliability and build quality?

In reply to VIX

Bro it's happening now...it's not like before..5 star crash test ratings better tech ,safer batteries etc..they supply MB and others

In reply to bravos
breds, check me in five years

In reply to VIX

Remember Apple and all the other high quality things we see as high quality are made there as well ok..they know how to make the best quality..its a choice ..and in the elec Car world they are proving they're a step ahead..it's not a myth or just talk, the Chinese cars are overtaking legacy brands as we speak...


It's Japan 70s and Korean 90's all over again..this time it's Chinese and its much bigger and happening more rapidly .

Other manufacturers are basically in shock.. some are even using their tech and platforms, including MB !!

You sleeping on the Chinese like how many slept on the Japanese..China is the new 'Japan' but x 100 ..

In reply to VIX

I buying a BYD Shark as soon as they land later in the year if all goes well..

Revolutionary pickup..

In reply to bravos

Once the US, UK and EU ‘decide’ that the Chinese EVs have ‘spyware’…it’s game over.

Matters not what I think or you think. Hence the Huawei reference.

In reply to bravos

take me for a spin when you get it!

In reply to Halliwell

One of the senior research engineers worked at Northern Telecom in Ottawa; he went back to China with all its confidential secrets.

Huawei was formed; it destroyed Northern Telecom.Huawei singlehandedly destroyed Canada's Nortel Networks through espionage and sabotage.
The CIA did an analysis and discovered that Huawei was dumping wireless equipment to small wireless providers in areas around US military basis at a loss. At the very least, the ability to disrupt communication of those military bases were easily achievable.

Canada and China have since been at odds about such stolen secrets.

In reply to Halliwell

The Alleged Role of China in the Collapse of Nortel Networks

Once a global leader in telecommunications, Nortel Networks, the Canadian tech giant, faced a spectacular downfall in the early 2000s. While numerous factors contributed to its decline, allegations of China’s involvement have raised questions about cybersecurity, corporate espionage, and industrial competition. Below is an outline of the alleged methods through which China may have played a role in Nortel’s demise.

1. Cyberattacks Targeting Nortel's Systems
Reports from a former Nortel systems security adviser suggest that Chinese hackers infiltrated the company's systems as early as 2000. These cyberattacks enabled access to sensitive internal documents, including strategic business plans, research and development (R&D) reports, and even employee emails. This breach allegedly gave competitors an unfair advantage by exposing Nortel’s future projects and proprietary technology.

2. Hiring Chinese PhD Students
Another alleged tactic was the recruitment of Chinese PhD students, who joined Nortel and gained access to its cutting-edge technologies. While there is no direct evidence linking these students to espionage, their presence reportedly raised concerns about the potential flow of proprietary knowledge to foreign entities.

3. Espionage by CCP and PLA Operatives
China is also accused of using spies linked to the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) and the People’s Liberation Army (PLA) to compromise Nortel managers. These operatives reportedly exploited their positions to gather sensitive information and influence company decisions, further destabilizing the organization from within.

4. Infiltrating Nortel’s Corporate Systems
One of the most concerning allegations relates to Huawei, the Chinese telecommunications giant. Reports suggest that Huawei may have gained access to Nortel’s corporate computer systems, potentially learning about the company’s product technology, marketing strategies, and trade secrets. Huawei has consistently denied such allegations, but the overlap in their product lines and market strategies has fueled speculation.

5. Backing and Abandoning a Bid to Save Nortel
As Nortel faced its financial struggles, Huawei reportedly supported a bid to keep the company alive. However, after the bid failed, Huawei allegedly walked away and hired many of Nortel’s top engineers and skilled staff. This move is seen by some as an opportunistic maneuver that further weakened Nortel while bolstering Huawei’s own R&D capabilities.

A Broader Context of Industrial Competition
The allegations against China and Huawei highlight broader concerns about global industrial competition and the role of state-backed actors in securing technological dominance. While these claims remain contested, they underscore the importance of cybersecurity and the risks associated with intellectual property theft.

Lessons for the Future
The downfall of Nortel Networks serves as a cautionary tale for companies operating in highly competitive and technology-driven industries. It underscores the need for robust cybersecurity measures, stringent oversight, and vigilance in protecting intellectual property from both external and internal threats.

While the full extent of China’s involvement in Nortel’s collapse remains a matter of debate, the allegations cast a long shadow over the interplay between global competition and national security in the technology sector.

Nortel collapse linked to Chinese hackers

In reply to sgtdjones

If you throw lots of mud at a wall, some will stick

I concede some of the above is true, but analysed in the cold light of day you’ll realise they are not unique in what they did, the Chinese, and the rest of the accusations are inflated to the nth degree.

But the powerful get to write the narrative.

What EV do you drive? Tell me not Tesla.

In reply to Halliwell

I will never own an electric vehicle...

I have a G6
BMW
a few 4x4 GM trucks
and Marshmallow 800 hp diesel 3500 monster

I just ordered two of these to replace my stolen vehicle recently.

Game Changer! The Revolutionary 2025 RAM Heavy Duty Truck Diesel

I’m old enough to remember folks laughing at our family friend and neighbour’s Toyota back in the 60s.
Dat is all.

In reply to Halliwell

Thought it was more about that but they flooding the entire world including Europe...only US and Canada resisting..

In reply to Chrissy

Bingo!

In reply to VIX

Ok

I only got my Chinese ev reality check only a few months ago..even I was skeptical but I couldn't argue with the logic in front of me..

This is one example that just blew me away..and not just for the futuristic features but the damn value for money !! Avatr

It's literally a future concept car available for sale now !

BYD Denza..

These yanks couldn't hide their admiration and awe

The ICE motor is basically a range extender with no connection to the drivetrain just like the U8 in the lead post, perfect for places like the outback..phenomenal range ,performance, features and value for money..

Zeekr ....

In reply to bravos

This hombre does a decent comparison of the M9 vs the BMW X5

In reply to bravos

Would the charging points network work for you in TT in the near say 2 years?

In reply to bravos
Dem cyan stop di Chinese

- period

In reply to Chrissy

Chinese technology is not to be scoffed at . I believe that they will overtake the west pretty soon. When I see some of the things they are doing it amazes me as to how far they have come in very short time.

In reply to cricketmad
Numbers bro - check di number of engineering graduates for starters.
Same with India. Dis done.

In reply to Halliwell

Charging at home...anything with 3- 400 km plus is loads for T&T...may only need to charge once a week.. and the pickup with the range extender well itsover 1000 km !!

In reply to Chrissy

That's what I've been saying !

In reply to FanAttick

Seriously I've always been a Euro.car guy from young..still have 2 Euro cars but after discovering the potential of these vehicles and driving a couple I have no desire for any new euro or any other ICE car...it's like self-sabotage..this from man that owned a couple high performance cars.. ..by the time your turbo spooling up and hundreds of moving parts engage to transmit power I'll be long gone..


One of my sons is buying an 'MG' that's faster than a Lambo Gallardo and cost the price of a Honda..

Everything is voice activated in all those cars..

In reply to FanAttick Bang on!

U9...BYD..(Yang Wang)

No comparison, imagine how they could manipulate physics with that for optimum driving dynamics.

Keep your dinosaur diesels lol..

In reply to bravos
Di entire Panama Canal talk is to block Chinese, Indian and Brazilian ships

In reply to Chrissy

So I hired two graduates - one graduated with a Masters in Acoustic from China, and one with BSC in mechanical engineering from India- and all I can say is dis is indeed done. Never again am I going to hire engineering graduates from China or India.

In reply to Chrissy

There was a saying in Jamaica back then, don't play with the stuff, it was not made in Japan; it is not a toy!

Anybody remember that Eddie Griffin stand up from many years ago with the line "Y'all better starting learning chinese" or something to that effect?

​My perspective on this topic, ​after talking to experts from a few universities and some detailed points about electric vehicles, engineering expertise, and the challenges in the automotive industry.

The Complex Reality of Engineering and Electric Vehicles: A Response to the Experts

It’s always interesting to hear the discussions around engineering and electric vehicles (EVs) on various platforms, but sometimes, these conversations reveal a lack of understanding about the nuances of the field.
Let’s break it down, especially for those who might be swept up by the hype and marketing surrounding EVs without fully appreciating the challenges and realities behind them.

The Foundation of Engineering Excellence

North America has long been a destination for the brightest engineering minds from countries like China, India, and Japan.
These individuals come here not only to further their studies but also to work alongside seasoned professionals and earn prestigious designations such as the P.Eng. (Professional Engineer) in Canada.
This rigorous process ensures that engineers are equipped with the knowledge and experience to tackle real-world challenges.
It’s worth asking if enough emphasis is being placed on this level of expertise when designing and adapting EVs for the North American market.

EVs: Not Fully Tested for North America

Electric vehicles, while innovative, face unique obstacles in North America, ask Tesla.
The climate, infrastructure, and driving conditions differ greatly from other regions.
A historical example? Remember Datsun vehicles in the 1970s—praised initially but notorious for rusting out in just a year due to inadequate testing for North American environments.
EVs face similar scrutiny today, particularly in their ability to handle heat, dust, and extreme temperature fluctuations.

The Technology Problem: EPROM Chips and Algorithms
At the heart of many EVs lies an EPROM (Erasable Programmable Read-Only Memory) chip embedded in a motherboard, operating through complex algorithms.
These chips control critical vehicle functions, but they’re particularly vulnerable to heat and dust—two factors that North America’s diverse climate and road conditions provide in abundance.
Tesla, for instance, has faced persistent issues over the past five years, with reports of battery failures and even fires caused by overheating.
These are not trivial matters, and they highlight the need for more rigorous testing and refinement.

Flashy Marketing vs. Practicality
Much of the push for EV adoption seems driven by marketing rather than practical utility.
Many of the flashy features advertised to consumers—like autonomous driving modes or extravagant entertainment systems—are rarely used by the average driver.
These extras are bells and whistles that raise the price tag without providing much value for the majority of families ("Moms and Pops").
And let’s not ignore the hidden costs.

The Hidden Costs of EV Ownership
Consider traditional luxury vehicles like BMWs.
The high maintenance costs frequently surprise owners, and repairs for EVs are probably going to be even more costly.
Why? Because the skill set needed to service these vehicles is highly specialized.
The days of mechanics repairing individual parts are long gone; today’s technicians are primarily replacement specialists.
When it comes to EVs, even Tesla—despite its head start in the market—continues to struggle with developing a reliable network of skilled technicians.

The Road Ahead
As promising as EV technology is, we must approach it with a healthy dose of skepticism and realism.
Engineers, manufacturers, and policymakers need to focus on practical solutions that address the unique challenges of the North American market.
This includes improving the durability and reliability of EV components, expanding technician training programs, and ensuring that the flashy marketing doesn’t overshadow the actual performance and maintenance realities of these vehicles.

So, to those who may be quick to dismiss these concerns, I say: take a closer look.
The future of EVs depends not on flashy advertisements but on rigorous engineering, practical innovation, and a commitment to solving real-world problems.
Let’s hope the industry is ready to rise to the challenge.​
Tesla hasn't after more than a decade plus

In the interim I will stay with my diesel that's reliable, and I can travel across Canada with no problem.

Sarge..

In reply to cricketmad

Thats cuz they relying on others research and technology stealing everything they can get their hands on.

In reply to carl0002

Spot on....

Let's give them a decade, then comment.

I have never owned a ev car and never will one until the technology has proven it is sound and reliable .we saw what went on in florida with the cars exploding.i will stick to my wrangler and muscle car every shiny newtoy that comes out some one has to buy like a cell phone .my colleague just bought a cybertruck and ugly vehicle and is having problems with it already lol.

In reply to velo

BYDs batteries are advanced and do ot explode from puncture or contact with water.

This isn't just copy and paste this is innovation at work. We must remember the current leader of China has been stamping out corruption before he even came into power, a lot of that corruption was in manufacturing dangerous garbage that were embarrassing China . China is not the clown show of a decade or 2 ago. Serious regulations innovation and quality now.

BYD is now the biggest EV maker in the world. And are present in all markets except USA and Canada . There are factories n Mexico !

Quite right, Bravos

and i take it that that is one of the reason you dont mind Trumps victory

he has great plans to transform the US vehicle market to EVs from ICEVs

In reply to carl0002

Is that why they are doing things better ? Interesting ! So you are telling me the copycats have become innovators.

They have problems with stealing patents and cold weather.


The U.S. electric vehicle (EV) market has already seen a growing presence of Chinese-made EVs, such as the Polestar 2, which has garnered attention for its design and performance. However, the path forward for Chinese automakers like BYD is becoming increasingly complicated.Chinese products present a significant hurdle, raising costs and dampening competitiveness in a market already dominated by established players like Tesla, General Motors, and Ford.

For BYD, the challenges extend beyond trade policies. The company faces notable technical obstacles related to its automotive battery technology, specifically in its lithium iron phosphate (LFP) batteries. While LFP batteries are known for their safety and longer cycle life compared to traditional lithium-ion systems, they come with drawbacks that could hinder their appeal to U.S. consumers. Issues such as patent, limited electrical conductivity, low capacitance, poor low-temperature performance, and inefficient production processes create barriers to scaling and optimizing these batteries for a demanding market.

One pressing concern for EV manufacturers globally is the diminished performance of EV batteries in cold weather, a problem that’s particularly relevant in regions with harsh winters. BYD’s blade battery, which also operates on a lithium iron phosphate system, is no exception. Although the blade battery has been praised for its safety and space efficiency, its performance in low-temperature conditions remains a significant weakness. This could further deter U.S. buyers who expect their vehicles to handle winter climates with ease.

To succeed in the U.S., BYD will likely need to address these multifaceted challenges. Improvements in battery performance, particularly in cold weather, will be critical. Additionally, navigating the complexities of patent issues and enhancing production efficiency could make their offerings more viable. At the same time, overcoming the financial strain of tariffs may require creative strategies, such as partnerships with U.S. companies or establishing local manufacturing facilities to bypass import duties.
For BYD and other Chinese automakers, the road ahead will demand innovation, adaptability, and a strong commitment to overcoming both technical and economic barriers.

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In reply to cricketmad

Read the above before making comments. Patent problems???

In reply to sgtdjones

Bro I am not in your league, please ignore my posts.

Nope

It’s quality control

In reply to sudden

You could trust that everything adds up with me.

Some of you guys here are not up on your history, a country that can send unmanned spacecraft to the moon, won't be able to compete in automobile manufacturing? Dudes, Mao long march continues, however the strides are getting bigger.

In reply to camos

It is not about manufacturing automobiles; there is something called patents.

It's not easy getting around such; China is noted for cheating and stealing such.

In reply to sgtdjones

In reply to sgtdjones

I doubt very much if China could use stolen patents in markets of developed countries without litigation.

In reply to camos

They bought some Heavy Oil hydrotreaters/hydrocrackers and de-salters from us a decade ago. Some with patented technology, and they signed to such.

They scaled up such at Beijing University of Chemical Engineering without permission.

International lawyers opinion...forget it.

It's the number one problem the West has with China.


Can one litigate in China?

If so, can you advise me how?

I mention use outside of China for a reason!

In reply to camos

China's population is approx. 1.5 billion.

Think of the internal market. It will not open up to foreign companies unless it wants what they have.

One can use any patent without problems in such a controlled country.

This is one of the major problems The West has with China.

In reply to camos

So much for patents..lol they're ahead in that too...

China is the future..today !

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