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Pakistan A vs West Indies, 2-day Warm-up Match

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voiceofreason 1/11/25, 2:20:21 PM
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debut: 1/20/04
90,621 runs

In reply to anthonyp
Coley needs to make a tough decision and give Jangoo the gloves over Josh. Not sure why they made him the VC as that is the modern day poisoned chalice of WI Cricket. We want to hit the ground running so Jangoo must play. Sinclair's returns vs a Select XI not enough to impress me. Kraigg can bowl off spin too.


My Team:
Louis
Brathwaite
Carty
Athanaze
Hodge
Greaves
Jangoo
Warrican
Motie
Seales
Roach
Onionman0 1/11/25, 2:28:38 PM
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debut: 3/6/20
4,330 runs

In reply to openning

After listening to a summary of performances on the Caribbean podcast, it was confirmed to me that most of you young posters live in the fast food lane.


Such poor analysis...

Both openers can't be dropped???

Braithwaite can continue.....even if he fails....
Contrary....if both openers fail Braithwaite should be dropped....Louis should be allowed to play his natural game...block, block & get out ..... should be thrown out ..

Sammy can bring back ..Hope & King into test cricket..

Both players have signed multi- year all formats contract with CWI.....clearly indicating their readiness and willingness to play red ball cricket....

So, nothing to do with Sammy ...the dea already done .. it's just regional 4- days tournament both have to play and perform...

Podcast Rubbish!!!!!!
voiceofreason 1/11/25, 4:11:51 PM
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debut: 1/20/04
90,621 runs

In reply to Onionman0

If Brathwaite fails to perform this series, he is a Goner. Sammy will definitely shake things up. You think that those guys Hope and King signed multi- format extended contracts without Sammy's influence?

I am just hoping that they are made to partake in 4 day regionals as I am not sold on Brandon King for the test arena as he needs to fix his flaws. Hope is a class ODI Player but I believe a 25 test ave after 38 Matches belies his true potential.
anthonyp 1/11/25, 4:55:48 PM
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debut: 11/2/09
12,541 runs

In reply to voiceofreason

If Kraigg fails? Gonna be a miracle if he performs lol

They gonna continue with him though... de man is now one of the greats since he's moving up on the highest runs list for WI lol
Narper 1/11/25, 6:04:38 PM
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debut: 1/4/03
261,180 runs

2. Hurraira c Greaves b Sinclair 74


Hurraira is named in the test squad and will open for Pak in de 1st test
openning 1/11/25, 6:27:30 PM
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debut: 11/13/02
44,508 runs

Name the most consistent batsman I 2021, 2022, 2023
I am so glad I listened to the podcast
Kraigg and Josh performed well in 2022 and 2023, his stats is below par from what I expected
BTW he is among the top 4-5 batsman in the regional 4-day competition annually
I am sticking with him as the opening batsman
natty_forever 1/11/25, 9:58:46 PM
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debut: 4/28/03
60,030 runs

In reply to openning

You expect us to be surprised.
openning 1/11/25, 11:26:39 PM
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debut: 11/13/02
44,508 runs

In reply to natty_forever

I am so glad to have this data, check this out
Gayle test 103 42.18 15 tons
Sarwan test 87 40.01 15 tons
DM Bravo test 56 36.47 8 tons
Kraigg Brathwaite test 96 33.43 12 tons

Can you name a player who, after playing twenty tests for the West Indies has a better record than Kraigg?

Sir Carl, who people would pay to see; test 102 36.46 13 tons

Here is a link with CWI data.
Highest averages for West Indies in Tests
tc1 1/12/25, 4:01:52 AM
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debut: 6/12/04
18,072 runs

In reply to voiceofreason

Louis seems to be copying his idol Shai.
Onionman0 1/12/25, 5:59:39 AM
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debut: 3/6/20
4,330 runs

Half truth.....more dangerous than total lie....

https://sports.ndtv.com/cricket/players/1335-kraigg-brathwaite-playerprofile/stats

Since, 2017..... Braithwaite yearly aggregate is abysmal...he was about to be dropped....was anointed to captaincy.... continue his poor performance except for one year, where he averaged 65....

As for other players.....all players since 2020....has been dropped...Bravo, Bonner, Blackwood et al.....some rightly, others unjustly.... average in the same range or better than Braithwaite....

Present team.... Tage,McKenzie,Athanaze,Hodge, Louis Carty all have been in test side for just 1-2 years....are being dropped....but despite given long run.....96 tests....failing every year barring few.... continue..

His time as Captain is surely over.....
His time as opener also over....
Time to move down the order, if not outright dropped...
openning 1/12/25, 10:27:45 AM
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debut: 11/13/02
44,508 runs

In reply to Onionman0

What part of the region are you from?
You seem to be a fan who selects a player after a good inning and then drops him.
This team has been struggling for more than a decade. The UB was our last great batsman, yet you and others think dropping a player with the second-highest average among the players is good.
Who would you replace him with? And tell this mb why.


I am a KB fan, Oldsters on this board know it.
Onionman0 1/12/25, 10:53:17 AM
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debut: 3/6/20
4,330 runs

In reply to openning

Oldsters on this board know it.

MY RESPECT & LOVE... YOU CONTINUE FOR LOOONG......


What part of the region are you from?


Does it really matters......just for those.....who support homeboy..

You seem to be a fan who selects a player after a good inning and then drops him.
This team has been struggling for more than a decade. The UB was our last great batsman, yet you and others think dropping a player with the second-highest average among the players is good.
Who would you replace him with? And tell this mb why.


I am a KB fan,


An unbiased West Indies cricket fan.....

Braithwaite stats since 2017... apart for one year.....varies from poor to mediocre....after playing nearly 100 matches....those stats very poor...
Others were dropped after just few matches

Bonner....38
Bravo....35
Blackwood..30
Tage...32

If these above are given 100 matches unfiltered run....who knows they may end up with better stats...

Great???

Your last great West Indies!!! For me...many lurking around...in various forms... Wickham, Anderson, Johnson,Tage, and many more.....just need backing like Braithwaite got
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Emir 1/12/25, 11:37:39 AM
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debut: 8/9/14
18,564 runs

In reply to Onionman0

cool
Chrissy 1/12/25, 12:22:01 PM
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debut: 11/14/02
197,994 runs

That anyone would include Paint in a sentence with Hooper, Gayle, Sarwan or Bravo is comical and while being good, not one of the four was a great test batsman.
30 sinting below 35 is sub par.
Spare me - Paint is one lucky man - mediocrity rules these days.
granite 1/12/25, 12:32:21 PM
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debut: 11/1/13
14,151 runs

In reply to Onionman0

CRITERIA...a principle or standard by which something or somebody may be judged,judgements are not the same for everybody.
4REALQUICKS 1/12/25, 12:43:32 PM
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debut: 2/16/24
736 runs

Match Drawn

West Indies 346/8 (Athanaze 99, Jangoo 63*, M Rameez Jr. 3/64) & 177/5 (Athanaze 58*, Imlach 57*)
Pakistan Shaheens 212/9 (M Huraira 74, Sinclair 3/50) & 128/3 (M Huraira 80)

Game ends in a predictable draw. Athanaze followed up his 99 from the first innings with an unbeaten half century in the second innings, which also brought an unbeaten fifty from Tevin Imlach. Vice captain Joshua Da Silva opened, yet failed again as he was run out for second time in the match. The promising Amir Jangoo could not follow on from his unbeaten half century in the first innings, as he was dismissed first ball. With the ball, Roach, Seales and Warrican were all economical in the second innings, with a pair of wickets claimed by the slow left armer. As in the first innings, both Greaves and Phillip went wicketless and were expensive.

The torists now move to Multan for two back-to-back tests, the first of which starts on Friday.
openning 1/12/25, 1:57:49 PM
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debut: 11/13/02
44,508 runs

In reply to Chrissy

You have to look at the era and see where our cricket is at.
None of our youngsters' average is in the 30s.

So for anyone to think that referencing the 90's era to 2000, don't get it.
I've shown where Sir Everton the best of his era and George Headley the best of his era, were great equal to Viv and Lara, both of them average higher the any other West Indian.
Don't get me started on Shiv Chanderpaul's accomplishment.
You love Hooper because he was pretty, Carl cannot stand in the same line as Seymour Nurse or Basil Butcher, he was not my favourite, so to mention him shows you are as bad as any other.
We need to consider the era and assess the current state of cricket. None of our young players have batting averages in the 30s.
voiceofreason 1/12/25, 3:39:37 PM
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debut: 1/20/04
90,621 runs

Hey Bro although we understand that we are in the 30 something era but should we forever accept it? How are we to progress if we should accept it forever? We need to move forward at some point from KB especially if he fails this series as I know Sammy will not continue with him as our main opener. Look at our ODI squad we now have two 40+ average batsmen (Rutherford and Carty) to go with Hope who averages 50+ and we are more competitive by winning series and hopefully soon automatic qualification for the next WC.
openning 1/12/25, 4:18:28 PM
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debut: 11/13/02
44,508 runs

In reply to voiceofreason

Replacing nonperformer with players averging below 30s will get you no way
Not one of our present openers fc average is in the high 20s, young Louis shows it takes more than a few good scores before you should be selected at the international level.
You have been around this board for something, we had Lara and Shiv in the 90s and Sarwan and Gayle
Bonner and Tage replacements are not doing better.
We continue to go around in a circle
As a Barbadian I want the BCA to fix the product.
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