Kraigg's two drawn series

In reply to imusic

I have been writing on this topic for some time, in the early days, Sudden said it would slow the game.
If you check the number of players coming on the field at the end of each over, one can suggest info is sent out.
Sammy and Curly are the only two you will see involved.

In reply to Brerzerk

Tell us what you remember of that series, especially the tied test.
There was joy after the tied test, and there was joy after the test wins in Australia and Pakistan.
This win against Pakistan is so unique, with so many inexperienced players, on a curator's track with spinners having the advantage.
This is as big as any cricket lover can imagine.
I can separate Sir Frank the humanitarian from the captain of that series.
Again I say to this MB, with technology, I leave all on-field issues to the management team.

Once upon a time Courtney Browne did say;" We nah play draw cricket". Bajans celebrating drawn series, really?

I am pretty sure we all celebrated the drawn series against Australia, I think has more to do with who scripted the win
had we lost the clarion calls for heads to roll would be deafening

In reply to hawk

So they shouldn’t still roll?

A series when the highest batting average from a WI specialist batsman was 21?

Coley’s head rolled even before getting to Pakistan.

You saying kraigg Brathwaite should retain his place on the team and as captain?

The bowling attack on both sides was an anomaly

The pitches for both matches were atrocious

We really looking for and expecting “progress” after this series?

You guys must be seeing something completely different than I see. Or maybe it’s not seeing but ingesting.

In reply to imusic

it is hard to fault batsmen on those wickets and I don't think the Pakistani batting averages were any better, Just look at Azam scores, he is the best batsman across both sides and he never got passed 35
Kraigg summed it up perfectly, on those kind of wickets there will be a ball with your name on it. He did bat well for his 52, and some others like Jangoo for his 30 that cannot be denied

if Kraigg loses the captaincy....that's ok, I think it may be good for him actually, but I'm not sure who else is there to take up the charge unless Sammy manage to persuade Hope and some of the other T20 guys to play test cricket, until then he might as well stay, his win loss ratio is comparable to more storied captains even though he is captaining a far weaker side than any of them.

tough luck for Coley but we shouldn't be surprise, didn't they do the same to Pybus after the team he coached beat England badly.

I am not sure how one can expect progress on those turners in Multan, I was looking for us not to lose the series and that we did ....I am Pleased

In reply to hawk



You certain those are the Baron's figures? Lara and Chanderpaul yes . The Greatest Cricketer on Earth or Mars?.. its hard to believe.

In reply to Castled

KC Brathwaite M W L T D NR W/L %
2017-2025 39 10 22 0 7 0 25.64

this should be taken in context

In reply to hawk

Only cappo stats I and I questioning is Sir Gary's.

In reply to hawk

Bro…..sobers, Lara, Hooper, and Chanderpaul all played teams that were their respective best XI’s

Virtually all of the top 6 test ranked opposition teams that kraigg Brathwaite has played have been either virtual 2nd XI’s or significantly weakened XI’s.

These teams know they don’t need to play their best XI’s to be successful against us.

Even the Bangladesh team that recently played in the Caribbean didn’t have Shakib Al Hassan. Bangladesh and WI test teams are pretty even.

In reply to TanteMerle



Totally agree with your analysis.....In the first test, the difference between the teams....Rizwan-Saud partnership in the first inning .....

Brathwaite overbowled Motie.....allowed Rizwan and specially Saud to settle down.... brought in Sinclair too late.... Sinclair was all over in his first spell....but continued....in fact, should have bought Sinclair early as Saud was finding difficulty facing offie.... Ultimately, Sinclair dismissed Rizwan & Saud both....In second test, he rectified the mistake.... resulting cheap dismissal of Saud....

His bowling changes were poor in first test.....


But, Brathwaite as batter has lots to contribute to West Indies team....just 32 years....as batter... maybe drop to middle order....5 years atleast....

In reply to Onionman0

Did I hear Basil Butcher jr reading Stats that Kraigg Brathwaite's winning percentage is the best since Richie Richardson?

captains Win percentage
Butcher also details the changes to team.
No coach can build a unit with so many changes.

In reply to openning


From the link provided by you....

As captain, his winning percentage better than Lara,Hooper, Chanderpal,Gayle.........But lower than Walsh,Adams,Ramdin,Sammy,Holder....

Sammy
Ramdin
Holder
Brathwaite..

Brathwaite lower than his predecessors....

Root, Williamson,Kohli....all left captaincy...reinvent batting....Brathwaite as batter more important than skipper...he played big role as batter in most of recent famous victories...
Pak in Dubai..
Eng in England..where Hope got all credits but Brathwaite and Blackwood played pivotal role..
This series...

Next 5 years..Brathwaite can concentrate on batting..may finish career with batti g average in mid- 40...
My take.....

In reply to imusic

In Addition, Sobers, Lara, Hooper, and Chanderpaul also captained significantly stronger West Indian sides than Kraigg has captained.

The sad thing is that even without the opposition playing their best XI, they were/are still stronger than any side Kraigg has captained.
so to beat Australia in Australia and then Pakistan in Pakistan on those ridiculous turners is phenomenal
I don't think Shakib would have made any significant difference to Bangledesh, I do not rate him that high highly, while he is a good player and has experience he is not superior to any player we currently have on our roster, like you said West Indies and Bangledesh are pretty even

In reply to Onionman0



What are they putting in the rum in this here bar?

In reply to hawk


Phenomenal yes.

But both were on the backs of a spectacular performance by a single individual, in particular Shamar’s performance.

Yet to even come close to be repeated in Shamar’s case and I guess we’ll find out in Warrican’s case.

You can use blatant anomalies as examples of the effectiveness of Brathwaite’s captaincy. I’ll go with his overall body of work, flukes notwithstanding.

In reply to JoeGrine


Something extraterrestrial, that’s for sure

In reply to imusic



This is the only way the weaker team can beat the opponent....on the back of a spectacular performance by at least a single individual.

In reply to openning

Who was the coach?