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It a pity that Shiv Jr. ,has not find his yet

In reply to StumpCam

Stumps you must be living on Mars, this is 33 FC tons, name three players in your neck of the woods, with so many.

In reply to tc1

This ton puts Kraigg ahead of The UB,
UB 32
KB 33
RS 33

In reply to StumpCam

just so you know 52 in the 4th innings in Pakistan is not an easy feat

In reply to openning

Greatest opener ever.... Chris Gayle don't even come close bruh

In reply to anthonyp

We have Shiv Jr, rate him

In reply to anthonyp

I have been writing about Kraigg's tons from his school days, I never knew his FC tons were on par with UB and Ronnie.

In reply to openning

Who is RS

In reply to openning

I will keep Sarwan out of this for a moment as he is not an opener. Brathwaite is MEDIOCRE and for sure, a Gayle he is not. Flaunting one statistic (# of centuries) is forcing a narrative.

Asafa Powell ran more sub 10 second 100m that Usain Bolt, are they in the same stratosphere?
The aforementioned Sarwan scored more Test runs that George Headley, is he an equal to Headley?

Jim Laker took more wickets in one Test than Shane Warne ever did, is Laker the better or the equal to Warne?

You are normally a poster of sound reasoning, in this case, reasoning has left you.

In reply to JoeGrine

Dude, if a player cannot bat and his tons are equal to some of the greats, would you continue saying he cannot bat?
Some people may not like his batting style, but as a great old me never underestimate a bowler with a ball or a batsman with a bat.
Respect them both.

In reply to openning

I never said he cannot bat, I said he is MEDIOCRE!!!!

Rohan McDonald has the Jamaican 400m record, I would never consider him decent.

Robert Horry has more NBA titles than Moses Malone and Julius Irving, Horry was an average NBA player. You play in excess of 200FC matches the "blind squirrel" and the "broken clock" principles will come into play. Brathwaite is MEDIOCRE!!

In reply to JoeGrine

How can someone with 33 tons and an average in test is among the top in this era be mediocre?
Are you saying that every batsman in the regime is mediocre?
You and others may not like his batting style, but to say he is mediocre, you would have to compare him to others within the region.
Can you name three better batsmen between 2009 and 2025?

In reply to openning

In the land of the blind, the one-eyed person reigns supreme. He is MEDIORCE and most of the others in the region are more mediocre than he is.

Since you introduced "this era" into the conversation, we now consider 40 as the opener's average to be considered a West Indian great, his (33.1) falls woefully short.

In reply to JoeGrine

Do you follow the West Indies?
Dude Gayle and Sarwan were the last two batsmen with an average of 40, my favourite regional batsman finished his career with a test and FC averages 58 and 55, I have seen the greats in eras since 1957.
I am not going to let anyone discredit Kraigg, because of his batting style.

In reply to openning

How does Gayle and Sarwan buttress your point? I am not discussing with you if the region's batting cupboard is bare. I already said he is less mediocre than others, but it doesn't negate the fact that Kraigg Braithwaite is MEDIOCRE!!

In reply to JoeGrine
This is his 33 FC tons, if he is mediocre, name others that you think are better.
Anyone can dislike a player's batting style, Chrissy did it to Shiv, but a mediocre batsman doesn't have 33 FC tons and tons against most of the International test teams.
If you are Jamaican ask Nikita Miller what he thinks of his batting.

In reply to openning

Gayle whose name you referenced in highlighting # of centuries. Again, if you can somehow stay on point - The region is filled with mediocre batsmen, he is just less mediocre than most of the others. What is so hard to understand in that?



I don't give a rat's rectum about batting style, in fact, I enjoyed Jimmy Adams at the wicket as his presence there gave us hope of stability at one end. Surely you will agree with me that a stylist at the wicket Jimmy was not.


Your request is indicative of a high possibility that Nikita has glowing remarks for Brathwiate hence you're pointing me in that direction. As to what Nikita said and why he said it holds no water for me. Brathwaite is mediocre.
The very same Nikita was mediocre as a spinner, however, in the region, he will go down as one of the best ever, it just does not absolve him from being mediocre.

I sign off now!

In reply to JoeGrine

Is your life so mediocre that you have to label others as others label you?

In reply to tc1

Tage nor anyone else in world cricket is close to Kraigg bruh.. 33 tons at FC and a million U19 tons...

De man is the greatest... world class numbers. GOAT!

In reply to openning

Let me sign back on. I have always looked forward to your postings, however, clearly, my facts have touched a nerve with you. I have never attacked a poster or a player's person. I don't know Kraigg Brathwaite the person I know him the batter and I said he (as a batter) is MEDIOCRE! We were talking about batting and all my posts were about his batting.

You know nothing about my life to pass judgment on me, this only speaks poorly of you. When one resorts to ad hominem attacks, it confirms you have run out of ideas and or truths. I seriously thought you were above that! Yes Sir/Madam, Kraigg Brathwaite is MEDIOCRE!

In reply to JoeGrine

I can go to any level, you go low, and I will do the same.

A silly argument. A man with test hundreds vs Aus, Eng,SA, NZ, Pak, SL and Bang and then 32 FC hundreds including against Guy, T&T, JAM, Windards and Leewards cannot be mediocre.

WI have been spoilt with GIANTS SINCE the THREE Ws up to SHIV: But today in tests:no more.

Expectations for Brathwaite with 98 Tests to be a giant but he severely fallen short.

But you cant call him mediocre because he failed to be a GIANT.

In reply to StumpCam

Agreed!

In reply to voiceofreason

I posted your Bingo numbers yesterday.

In reply to openning

Bro, I'm Bajan as well.

Braffit is mediocre.

Having a zillion tons pre his 19th birthday does not mean squat.

Braffit technique is the main issue.
Every batsman has a get-out ball when he starts his innings.
Ergo, he should capitalize on bad balls.
I have watched Braffit poke bad balls repeatedly.

He bore bowlers to death.

Braffit was about to be dropped before Holder et al withdraw from the Bangy tour amid health fears.
He got lucky, because of Mayers, Shakib's injury and the stars aligned.

His luck continues today.

His double against the Bim's 'B' team is nothing.

I wish Braffit all the best, but he is and will always be mediocre at international level standards.

Similar to Junior Murray, Devon Smith, Rangy Nanan, Nikitte Miller, and Clive Butts, to name a few.

It's about time you stop defending Braffit, as you are obviously BIASED.

Lol bajans taking on this mediocre thing... everything that the poster said is true.

Imagine a dude played 98 test matches and barely averaging 33, yet people got issues with someone calling him a mediocre batsman.

Then again that's the new standard in Bim... in some of dem eyes he's the greatest opener to ever play the game.. GOAT

In reply to anthonyp

Well said.

In reply to anthonyp

It is easy for you and others to go low, I get it.
I hope as a parent you will teach your children about using words that will build others up, not tear them down.

This post lost my attention when folks started to mention Sars and Paint in the same sentence... If it wasn't for injuries Sars would've probably had 50+ Avg. in Test and ODIs...
U people have no cricket acumen

In reply to openning

How is that going low? Champ get your emotions together.

This got nothing to do with Kraigg personally. Everybody here is talking about his performance as a player, which is mediocre.

In reply to anthonyp

How can a guy with 33 tons be mediocre, he may not be your favourite player, but to represent his country and the region tells the world the guy is among
the top players from around our region.
I saw Easton MacMorris, not once being in the Kensington stand where this type of word was used, he was not successful at the international level, that goes for every player that failed at the international level.
Who are you comparing Kraigg to in the region, Let's start there.

In reply to openning

All of our current test players are mediocre... if you consider a guy who is struggling to average 35 after 98 test matches good then kudos to you.

To me that's mediocre. Doesn't have anything to do with someone personally or whatever they're doing. It's just plain facts.

In reply to anthonyp

They are not.
How many of us played the game and have yet to represent our Island?
Only a selected few reach that level, to call players mediocre speaks about the person, not the player.
They a youngsters playing for Barbados now, I can feel the love from his grandmother for him, and I am 4000 miles away.
No player representing his Island/country should be called mediocre, he/she has reached a level to be selected, that millions of us have not.

In reply to anthonyp

Now you are really crazy!! How many triple centuries have Paint? Gayle not only has two triple centuries, he could be the last West Indian to score a triple century for a long, long time. Must be rum head talk!!

In reply to anthonyp

Mediocre is not only the standard for Bim, it's the standard for all caribbean cricketers. Including the great muddies.

In reply to tc1

Champ you're in such a hurry to defend your homie that you clearly missed where I said that all of the current test batsmen from the region are mediocre.

Least yuh could do is read lil before yuh comment.

In reply to Slipfeeler

Owww Slippy... I know it's Friday but like yuh knocking some hard stuff already?

You don't agree that Kraigg is the GOAT for openers in the region? Just look at those numbers, 33 FC tons and a million U19 ones

In reply to JoeGrine

Ouch. Harsh but many times we take one aspect to make a player we support, great, without looking at the full aspects of such player.

As for KB I think he's lucky to last so long on the tram. Others would have and were dropped. To me Kraigg these last three years have come out looking positive when a dropping seems near only to show signs of why he should be dropped a few games later.

To me before he went to shirt number 11 he played a lot better

Bro. Aside from his last innings against Pakistan and the 2nd innings of the 2nd test against Bangladesh at Sabina in December, when has Kraigg Brathwaite ever played any differently than he always has?

FYI he’s played 189 innings for WI

Might it be that Kraigg's batting PHILOSOPHY (dour and obdurate) is what is causing him to attract the label of being mediocre?

How many years, better yet matches, has KB been a first class opening bat to have now gotten 33 FC 100's?

At the international level, how has he fared as an opening bat?

When compared to his contemporaries as opposed to generational WI opening batsmen, how does he stack up? (It is the general consensus that batting standards have fallen in the Caribbean)