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Intricate Political Reasoning

Besar 2/15/25, 9:48:26 AM
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debut: 3/18/05
282 runs

is something that if we do not adopt, can lead us to gravely misunderstanding issues that confront us daily, and cause us to make bad decisions, and give bad advice. When some of us called out Donald Trump, and even campaigned against him, it was because we knew he would do exactly what he is doing now. I mentioned a West Indian politician who once stated that "when the USA sneezes, the rest of the world catches pneumonia." Right now, the symptoms are already spreading like a bush fire out of control. The Caribbean would be affected in may ways, but that is a subject for separate analysis.

Even as we oppose Trump on one the hand, the sophisticated must be cognizant that what is going on in Gaza, and Biden's support for Israel, is USA foreign policy. Joe Biden just happened to be the one at the helm, but whether it was Biden, Obama, Kamala, Bush or Clinton, the response would have been the same, because to them, it is USA policy. I oppose such policies, but in an election, we have to be able to separate those 2 issues, or we will end up with Trump. What amazes me is how easily Trump could make empty promises to the Palestinians, and the groups, and their leaders believe that shit, and encourage their members to vote for Trump.

Since the bombing of October 7, 2023, those who understand the politics would have sensed that this could affect the USA elections, against the Democrats. Biden was compelled to carry out USA policy in the Middle East. Biden, like all other President would've done, was not doing it for Netanyahu. Netanyahu knew that the Democrats backs were against the wall, and they must give support, no matter his abuse and excessive destruction of Gaza. In a different time, outside of an election cycle, they might have been able to contain Netanyahu, but he understood how trapped Biden and Kamala were, and he acted to assist their demise, because he wanted Trump in office, and it worked, because the average voter is not so sophisticated to figure out these things.

Netanyahu did not put Biden under the bus, because he was never on the bus with Biden. And, Biden did not expect Netanyahu to stand with him, because he knew what Netanyahu was all about. Netanyahu was exploiting a situation for himself, Biden was bound by USA policy toward Israel, no matter how bad it looked. If Biden refused to give support to Israel, the fall out would be worst for him and democrats. Biden withholding grants to one native cause who expressed support for Palestine, has responded like all other USA Presidents would, because it is USA policy.

This is a difficult piece to write, because it could easily be misunderstood, and some could think that I support USA policies. I do not, I could never support that massacre in Palestine; I could never be anti native people. I am just highlighting how strategic analysis is required when dealing with politics and voting. How many people are aware that a lot of Trump's attacks on Canada is to derail Justin Trudeau and the party that he represents? Waiting in the wing is a Trumplike Conservative, Poilievre. It could backfire, but that is part of the intent.

I, a black man, never expected Obama to do all the things that i hear is condemned for, for not doing for black folks. That is USA; he could not. The politics is more complex than that.
Priapus 2/15/25, 11:46:09 AM
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debut: 12/30/14
3,780 runs

So in other words, whoever is the president is just a figurehead/ puppet doing the bidding of the movers and shakers a.k.a the lobbyists in Washington DC ?
VIX 2/15/25, 12:05:28 PM
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debut: 2/7/03
17,764 runs

Maybe you have a point there somewhere but politics isn't good guys versus bad guys or us vs them as the echo chamber loves to cackle.

On the one hand you call for intricate political thinking, but make sweeping generalisations implying voters lack sophistication and "all presidents will do teh same".

In any event, get over it, the misfits' merica doesn't hold a monopoly on political intrigue. You have 4 years of Trump to navigate, deal with it.
Emir 2/15/25, 12:44:41 PM
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debut: 8/9/14
18,745 runs

In reply to VIX

Maybe you have a point there somewhere but politics isn't good guys versus bad guys or us vs them as the echo chamber loves to cackle.

This!!!!

There is one poster who writes as if Biden is his uncle.
Emir 2/15/25, 12:49:02 PM
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debut: 8/9/14
18,745 runs

In reply to Besar

Pure crap!

Saying No to Genocide was all he needed to do. No modern American President ever has supported genocide.

And the base, not just Arab and Muslim Americans- 66% voted for Kamala, abandoned the party. Hispanics and African Americans, Women and working class whites- all traditionally Dems, turned out in record larger numbers for Trump- thought the majority still voted Dems, the share switching to Trump gave him the edge.

And from among this base, Palestine issue was important, but not the primary reason they went to Teump.
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Emir 2/15/25, 12:54:15 PM
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debut: 8/9/14
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Even as we oppose Trump on one the hand, the sophisticated must be cognizant that what is going on in Gaza, and Biden's support for Israel, is USA foreign policy. Joe Biden just happened to be the one at the helm


Pure crap!!!

Biden violated our own laws against sending arms to Israel. And no one- and no one- asked him to stop supporting Israel- as all American presidents must, the people simply wanted him to uphold US law against sending arms and protecting victims of genocide.
sudden 2/15/25, 1:06:07 PM
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debut: 11/27/06
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man still trying to justify the Muslim support for Trump.

unfortunately Gaza is still going to be a non Palestinian resort
Emir 2/15/25, 7:45:14 PM
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debut: 8/9/14
18,745 runs

In reply to sudden

Eediot, 66% of American Muslims voted Kamala.

The combined percentage of other Dem voters from among, Hispanics, African Americas and working class white gave Trump the election. They voted against Biden’s economic policies.
camos 2/15/25, 7:49:21 PM
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debut: 5/6/03
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In reply to Emir

In reply to Emir

Eediot, 66% of American Muslims voted Kamala.



that figure keeps going up, you still counting votes?
sudden 2/15/25, 8:02:49 PM
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In reply to Emir

that 66% is in Dearborn, Michigan, correct?