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Commie 4/10/25, 8:38:46 PM
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In reply to SnoopDog

This entire tariff war is part of a broader strategy to contain and imprison China in a trading "sandbox" of America's own design, and utterly impoverish it:

1. The US plans to contain China's economic market share and trade flows to a narrow band of countries, ideally just China itself.

2. It intends to do this by intimidating the rest of the world into toeing the American line - that was the purpose of first subjecting the entire world to tariffs, then providing some relief for a limited 90-day period. The psychological impact is to pass this message to the RoW: "This is how it feels like when we hurt you with tariffs. Do you want to go through that again?". It's a powerful technique and appears to have resulted in most of the victims caving in to Trumps demands for per-country negotiations.

3. Trump's plan will then be to force each country into an exclusive trading agreement which will include clauses on how much trade (if any) it can conduct with China. This is the mechanism by which the U.S hopes will gradually (quickly) isolate China from the global trading system.

4. The U.S will apply tactics of intimidation against each of these countries up to and including threats of war, colour revolutions, bribery and blackmail of key officials and if necessary, assassination of stubborn leadership.

5. Most if not all of the West will cave quickly to these demands, then the tiny, dependent states like the pacific islands and some US-aligned South American states. African countries like Kenya and Tanzania, U.S sock-puppets will follow willingly.

6. As these countries quickly fall in line with the U.S demands, China will rapidly lose its investments in projects and currently ongoing ventures in those countries, finding itself slowly driven out of the markets of former partners.

7. Ostensibly, the U.S wants to become the center of global manufacturing, replacing China - or if not the actual center, then the control over the center of manufacturing (e.g, by controlling trade flows through the global shipping lanes).
The U.S will therefore seek to consolidate its control of the worlds key trade "chokepoints" (Red Sea, Hormuz, Panama Canal, Cape of Good Hope, Malacca, the Arctic etc. ...), while concurrently seeking to drive manufacturing out of China to it's own proxies or back to mainland U.S or Mexico.

8. Once China is contained, it will be forced to become a consumer economy: Captive Consumers for American controlled products, just like every American-dominated colony.

9. At the same time, the U.S will seek to hollow out China's technological base: By destroying it's market share, moving manufacturing outside of China, banning American and EU companies from doing business with China, it will attempt to stem the flow of I.P to China and stifle technological development there. Part of this strategy is hollowing out of Taiwan's chip-sector, which the U.S is currently trying to achieve carefully by moving Taiwan's Chip Fabs to the US before executing the controlled demolition of Taiwan.

Well, that's the plan. Whether it will succeed or not depends on how many states will bend over willingly rather than face up to the Superpower and wether China and Russia are willing to sit on their hands and do nothing.

The problem is, knowing the way the world works, China (and Russia) won't show much of a desire to defend vulnerable states against the U.S onslaught. Those countries will therefore have no incentive to rally around China to form a defensive trade network for mutual benefit.

They know that when the US Navy comes knocking, China and Russia won't have their backs, so better cave in early.

The one way out of this mess is the way neither China nor Russia have the nerve to adopt:

Going on the offensive and instigating conflicts among American allies and making sure the U.S is too busy dealing with manufactured crises to be a problem to the other superpowers. The U.S has been given much too much time to plan, develop creative schemes for causing problems to the globe, it's been given the luxury of taking the offensive initiative for too Long.
Brerzerk 4/10/25, 8:43:14 PM
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In reply to SnoopDog

Mass transit for sure
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sudden 4/10/25, 8:58:06 PM
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In reply to Commie

all things are possible but that is highly improbable

too many moving parts
camos 4/10/25, 9:02:23 PM
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China can't be stopped, you may slow the pace, but they are at a point of self-sustaining development.
Commie 4/10/25, 9:08:51 PM
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In reply to sudden

Do not underestimate a hegemon working with a clock.
StumpCam 4/10/25, 9:21:18 PM
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In reply to Commie

Man, steeups! Thought you would have told us that Uncle Sam was about buy small island bananaslol
Commie 4/10/25, 9:25:52 PM
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In reply to StumpCam

This is one of the most dangerous times in history.
SnoopDog 4/10/25, 9:28:01 PM
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In reply to Comrade Commie

You have a very active imagination.
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Ayenmol 4/10/25, 9:31:08 PM
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Will revisit a few post later.

But economics is not my fortay. I have not read nearly enough on the matter. So am not saying am right on point.

I do not believe though that the US should throw up it's hands in defeat over manufacturing.

I believe all countries should attempt to keep their manufacturing....even if they are not leading, they should have enough to keep a strong middle class.

China is not the leader simply because it is the only place capable....it is so solely due to the Labor issue.

Convince me otherwise.

No country should be able to export so freely while monitoring imports like a hawk.
Ayenmol 4/10/25, 9:32:52 PM
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Also appreciate the attempt to stay on point and make some valid points by all who chose to contribute.
WI_cricfan 4/10/25, 9:35:12 PM
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For the first time no one is blaming the Jews for this mess, but don't be surprised if this will soon be a talking point.
carl0002 4/10/25, 9:42:10 PM
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In reply to Commie

If that was the plan Trump et al seem to lack some basic execution skills cuz you can't be doing that while exposing to the world all your vulnerabilities back home and attempting to install a king while literally suspending law and order while playing revenge politics and robbing people blind. A chaotic environment and unstable base is not the environment to pull that off.
hubert 4/10/25, 9:51:40 PM
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In reply to Commie

It is . And it will get even more dangerous and perilous if America's greatest fear, BRICS
become a reality.
Such a reality will mean parking the US $ as The reserve country thereby eroding US's power
in all things.
The conflict with China now could lead to the BRICS reality. China,Russia,Brazil,India and
South Africa do not need anything from America .China is probably equal to or more advanced in AI
and Technology than the USA and is fast catching up militarily and SPACE exploits.
Brazil is already China's bread basket where food imports.

It is something I am watching closely as USA's plan to reduce China's growing power will not meet with
success. That ship sailed a long time.

I am reminded of a story my late Friend and colleague Tony Becca told me in 1973. At that time,through Kissinger/Nixon, China was
brought in the 'real world and to showpiece their country they indulged in' Ping Pong' diplomacy using the sport as vehicle to
invite and host people from all over.
Becca,an avid TT advocate, was part of the Jamaica delegation. On a visit to a Chinese store to purchase gifts,the clerks were
all using an Abacus to calculate money . He inquired of this oddity, seeing that abacus was long 'dead' even in primary school
in Jamaica. The response he got from a Chinese official is that they were not yet ready for any computer advancement as their
population and need for keeping their people employed and occupied was Primary.

But he added , when they are they are ready, they will advance swiftly.

At that time,Becca told me he could not cross the street at Tiannen Square as more than half a million bicycles were on the move
and the parade was quite endless.lol and all were dressed the same, green khaki.

China has done more than wonders.They are not a people to under rate or scoff at. They invented fireworks millenia before USA was even thought
of. Don't trust them. There are no more dangerous adversary than the Chinese. They talk less but they DO.

Trump better be aware. Could be war of some kind around the corner.smile
SnoopDog 4/10/25, 9:56:12 PM
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In reply to carl0002

If that was the plan Trump et al seem to lack some basic execution skills cuz you can't be doing that while exposing to the world all your vulnerabilities back home and attempting to install a king while literally suspending law and order while playing revenge politics and robbing people blind. A chaotic environment and unstable base is not the environment to pull that off.


The Penguins of Antarctica have already capitulated to the Dotard and his new world order.
Commie 4/10/25, 10:00:39 PM
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In reply to carl0002

You make the classic mistake of concentrating on the front man. Same mistake was made with Biden, same with Trump.

There are think tanks and policy hawks who practice continuity with tweaks here and there.

For example now that uber China hawk Peter Navarro holds sway so the China approach is being accelerated. But don’t for one second think this is some Trumpian initiative.

Thucydides Trap is an inevitable collision of powers when one hegemon recognizes its imminent displacement. War is the usual conclusion.
carl0002 4/10/25, 10:04:39 PM
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In reply to SnoopDog

If Commie is correct it won't take 90 days before the Dotard at it again with his tariff bs and what will the market do on this occasion. Ignore him?
camos 4/10/25, 10:08:18 PM
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In reply to Ayenmol

I believe all countries should attempt to keep their manufacturing....even if they are not leading, they should have enough to keep a strong middle class.


As a country grows it has to give up basic industries and adapt new ones, you are not going to support a growing middleclass with stagnated industry and technology.
carl0002 4/10/25, 10:24:25 PM
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In reply to Commie

You see its not me under estimating the front man perhaps you should ask the think tanks if they account for the monkey wrench that the Dotard can throw in their well made plans for his own selfish gain, that cause them to be tweaking like a cocaine addict.
sudden 4/10/25, 11:27:31 PM
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USA is a declining superpower

the age of the lion / eagle is over

this is the age of Aquarius

a time for the rise of the dragon

but as with all dying empires it will not go down without a fight

it ought to negotiate a graceful exit with some pride in tact

a type of peaceful accommodation with the rest of the world

a direct war will further degrade them

the USA has not won a major war since the 2nd european civil war and it was Russia that actually won that

the oligarchs in the US will try something economically but that too will fail

tis written
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hubert 4/10/25, 11:39:07 PM
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In reply to sudden

Who says you wrong ? lol
carl0002 4/11/25, 5:30:53 PM
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In reply to Commie

Mr Commie Dollar getting drilled, market crashed yesterday even while we were here talking, bond market getting hammered. Now Commie in such a climate, how the US pull off that fairy tale you spun. US no longer have allies, Investment being pulled from US at an alarming rate, and would China sit by having a ticking time bomb in its hand watching the US decimate its manufacture base and do nothing? If its going to lose anyway wouldn't they just set it off. If trade between US and China slows because of tariffs or for whatever reason what is the purpose of the Chinese holding all those bonds, especially when trust in the US is at an all time low.

It seems that plan if true is full of nothing but arrogance given US agitating everything in that equation to make it work.
XFactor 4/11/25, 6:16:58 PM
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In reply to carl0002

What Trump is trying to do has only two outcomes. Trump quits his tariff nonsense, and we get back to some kind normalcy, or the world economy grinds to a standstill. We will see a shift in global trade alliances with China leading the way. China has been investing heavily in technology, renewable energy and infrastructure. They too are looking to strengthen their domestic industries and reduce their reliance on US exports.

Bringing back manufacturing to the US requires automation, construction of new facilities, and billions in investments, with an amortisation period of decades more to recoup investment. Not happening.
SnoopDog 4/11/25, 6:20:13 PM
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It seems that plan if true


Comrade Commie is spending waaaayyyy too much time in those far left conspiracy theory nutjob websites. lol
sudden 4/11/25, 6:36:54 PM
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even if Trump cancels all the tariffs the USA is still fuked

who will trust this administration?
SnoopDog 4/11/25, 6:42:10 PM
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who will trust this administration?


The Penguins of Antarctica....
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