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If Thailand can compete why cant Barbados, Guyana, T&T and Yard?

Let the Dots compete as a team…

In reply to FanAttick

That should be the WAY. With the Olympics in the future.
But dream on..The several countries and the leaders, LIKE
the ideal of clinging together even against their peoples' best National interests and future

If we cannot find a proper 11 from the whole Caribbean, how will we find any 11 worth anything individually? Add to that finding sponsorship and the years it would take to get even T20I status. Wishful thinking.

In reply to bobby

Speak for your own country...Jamaica is doing ok in other International
endeavors...Athletics...Soccer...Netball because it embraces things
on a National platform. This does not involve cricket and the Country
is not relying on CARICOM or other Caribbean brothers to finance or
sponsor these sports in the YARD.

So find another negative to amuse yourself.

In reply to FanAttick

Your comments is why the Caribbean will always be colonized by others

In reply to hubert

Track & Field and Soccer yes. I agree. The cricket boat has long sunk and there is no interest among the youth. Scholarships are available for almost every sport except cricket. There are kids attending colleges and universities in the UK and USA for golf, swimming, track, basketball, lawn tennis and soccer.

It is the same old story when our teams do poorly. Well, I am a West Indies fan and will continue to support them whether it is a win or a loss. When we win matches I don't see anyone complaining.

In reply to hawk

Please elaborate.

The reality is we will not be allowed into the Olympics as the West Indies. So unless we wish not to partake then I guess, bury your head in the sand.

In reply to natty_forever

Yes . He needs to elaborate. And explain why we are now mostly
INDEPENDENT Nations, supposedly ceased being colonists.
Some one is confused.

In reply to hawk

We can all bask in the historic glory of West Indies cricket while recognizing that it is an idea whose time has long passed…

In reply to bobby

It has sunk and in bad shape because there is no National will involved.
Are you aware that Jamaica's Women Cricket reached and played Test Cricket
in early 70s when it was playing cricket on its own,devoid of any West Indies
Board or Jamaica Board involvement.

No sooner it became part of West Indies cricket, the game died as there was no
longer any imperative by those who fostered and cared and sponsored the game
through a vibrant Club system to be involved.
The women's game never recovered and the thing called West Indies Board
was never able to develop or maintain any comparable system in Jamaica simply because
the same WI Thing depended and still do on the coffers and cooperation of several individual countries
as it,WI , has not got the resources or people to fund and carry out financial outlays
in a place like Jamaica.
If you turn over the Jamaica Track program or Football program to an entity like WI, that would also
be the death of those discipline if the National Will ,expertise of the individual countries is absent.
West Indies in current climate and times is in Trump's World, a Fake and lacks relevance to
most Jamaicans, young and old.
Why should a Government of Jamaica dole out millions in goodwill,time and effort , to prop up West Indies, when such resources could be
used to develop its own population of cricketers replete with rewards for the Nation's advancement ?
With the Olympics set to play a big part in the Games future, it is incumbent on the National government
to more towards developing the Game from ground up and through schools and youth programs to meet the
Future and provide incentives for the young to aspire to make a living through 20/20 worldwide.
When places like Cayman, Thailand ,Hong Kong ,Malaysia and even less known countries are advancing the game
and West Indies having to play laying against them on the International stage, it is really Extremely PITIFUL.
But those who like and embrace this reality are free to remain in the dark which is nothing more than a Colonist
mindset and structure.
Slavery was a huge success.
Others with vision and even Pride ,should not be involved and ought to move on.

In reply to bobby

and we play more cricket than those sports mentioned.

In reply to natty_forever

I could elaborate much further, but I am not convinced it would even be understood
But I will say this to test that theory
My great great grandfather was born a slave
He live as a slave and died as a slave
I was born a free man
I lived as a free man and will die as a free man
If I don't do right today
My great great grandson will be born as a slave
He will live as a slave and die as a slave

In reply to FanAttick

And the thing Fan, is we can compromise. West Indies (W. I.) Test and ODI. Separate for T20. Where W. I. Is invited we play T20.

Philosophy 101. We need to be strong individually, to make the whole great again.

In reply to natty_forever

Indeed…

In reply to bobby

So being Number 3 or 4 in Netball in the world ,does not count ?.
Do you know how much bigger and richer the one above us, are ?
Do you think the young girls in both football and netball are not
inspired to gain Glory for the Black-Gold and Green in a way that any representation
of West Indies in cricket does not currently enjoy. ?

We are a Nation and ought not to be a colony of any Group but our British Enslavers must still be very pleased
to see their influence still holds sway in the 21st Century when Nations still cling to ways.
Imagine talking about A Caribbean Court, rather than ditching the British Privy and having their own Highest Court.
Some Republics are still hogtied to the British. What Progress.
No country can even begin to be independent if matters of their Own constitution are being dictated from the outside
even when their form of Governance and government are different.

People development is the Lack when such things are in play. Children must become adults and we are
far from it. We are nothing more than Cling Cling Birds of a featherless mindset.
Be happy anyhow. We will never live to see a Developed Country in the Region as a First World Entity however that
is defined.

Why come on a west indies message board to advocate breaking up the west indies instead of going on xyz country message board to advocate leaving the west indies?

In reply to natty_forever

Start with that strength
Go make Trinidadcricker.com or jamaicacricket.com, etc
And start the revolution to go it alone

Practice what you preach

In reply to conman

Perhaps you should practice what you preach...make WI great and strong by making your country
great and strong and lead the way. Difficult to do or don't you have a Country ?

In reply to bobby

I totally agree

In reply to FanAttick

all Ja has to do, is inform CWI that it is withdrawing from being part of WI cricket and will henceforth be competing as Ja team

In reply to hubert

hoss cricket almost dead in JA. Which person, possibly from a poor background, is going to wait a gazillion years for ja cricket to attract the attention that WI cricket used to get, and as a result the promotion to ipl and other csh rich leagues.

In reply to hawk

In north America, a Jamaican will drive across town to patronize a Chinese establishment, but will never set foot in a non Jamaican. Caribbean establishment. Only when they are in trouble, they remember their heritage.

In reply to Edrich

I sm extremely happy yo see test cricket back at Sabina park, this summer, I hope CPL follow.

In reply to hawk

And being free of colonial West Indies should not be the way forward.

In reply to Edrich

If that is your experience you certainly live in a strange place where Jamaicans are.
And since you are generalising tell me where you live in America.
On he contrary, I live in Philly and most Eastern Caribbean people find my door more than
fellow Jamaicans.
And Jamaicans have more eateries in this City than almost all ethnicities.
Wanna prove it, I will send you a ticket and take you around town.
Furthermore Jamaicans are notorious for helping others who are non Jamaicans.
And they don't much like us. But they have to respect US.
And another thing, when Jamaicans get in trouble they know who to go to or seek out and a Jamaican if first on the list. So tell me more since
you are one of those attempting to denigrate the people who have a far more international presence in culture,music,food
and sports than all of you put together.
And who numerically are much larger in population in American Cities and who have a presence than others. There are over 200k Jamaicans now in Philly
and nearby border Counties.
We lead the pack whether Positively or negatively too. But the positives through doing favors and providing leadership and example of achievements
make Jamaicans here de facto leaders..even politically through associations.


So tell me if you wanna come. You need to be educated.

In reply to Windiesfan78

co signed.

In reply to powen001

yeah

In reply to Jumpstart

Almost dead is right and the reasons are many. Foremost is the lack of resolve
and commitment from the cricket Board leadership to WORK with the young boys and girls
and engage the Private Sector and the govt in having meaningful programs/activities for the
kids both boys and girls to make cricket a passion.

In the competitive atmosphere where Football especially have been doing a lot through age group
enticement youngsters can dream of a pro contract. Track and Field has been doing this for
decades but football especially has been cricket's worse enemy by participation and an eye for the
money.
The double whammy is that Track offers furtherance of education home and abroad to many and
is primary over monetary rewards at this stage.
Yes, the leadership of the cricket community must compete for talent and this they are doing very
well with limited resources too and Costs being factors.
But if there is a National Imperative to have cricket rebound, then things could change quickly
as Youth of today are looking for the financial rewards. And that can come as the game as you
is now blessed with opportunities through 20/20 and that alone should be an incentive for youngsters
to devote time,energy etc in making a go at it.
I am not too optimistic though as things have fallen too far and I don't think ,government and
administrators are keen to take up what is a monumental Task.
Cricket remains expensive with gears a premium and with limited financial resources to outlay and
maintain,it is a very challenging endeavour as Jamaica is a big Island with transport costs a
major element too if one is going to undertake a meaningful and long lasting program for both
boys and girls.
The days of the Allan Rae and Fennel and other devoted and dedicated servants are no more and there are always
educational and medical needs to test any Purse strings of developing countries.

Meanwhile the two men and a dog awaits a Test match in the summer after great expenditure will be laid out for
among other things a New Scoreboard.Maybe India will Gift it

In reply to natty_forever

The way forward is as a strong unified nation not a collection weak banana republics who are destined to be recolonize in the future, we all have fragile economies heavily dependant on our colonizer and its spawn, military wise we are all a joke, others have missiles and we have water pistols, Guyana is incapable of defending it's borders against any venezuelan incursion and without the support of the colonizer and its spawn will surely be invaded and its inhabitants killed, the collection of banana republics cannot help them
But some of us keep finding ways to "deunify" on the premise of good at something
At one point in time Barbados could have selected a cricket team and it would have been a solid test team capable of beating all other test playing nations but we never saw this as a reason to go it alone
Take heed of this example Jamaica may be fourth in netball, guess what, Trinidad and Barbados also have world class netball teams ranked in the top 10 but a west indies team would be number 1 hands down

West Indies cricket.....

Big Idiot....

Small Idiot....

Also ran Idiots.....High on Rum....Posters...

These Also ran Idiots.....simple solution... DISMANTLE!!!
It may be assumed....they dismantled many things in their daily routine....but their heart and soul... remains unfulfilled till West Indies cricket dismantle....and every country, which are part of Cricket West Indies.....in individual capacity starts competing with Thai,China,Uganda,Siberia etc....

BUT.....

These Posters or Also ran Idiots at the same time.........profess to be die hard West Indies cricket FANS....

In reply to powen001

100% agree with this statement.

Enough with this misguided finger pointing and name calling.

RALLY!

In reply to hawk

How that working out for you. Chatting crap.

In reply to Onionman0

Only those stuck in colonialism will want this to continue.

In reply to 4REALQUICKS

Rally round what?

But, wait a minute!
Correct me if I’m wrong!
I thought I saw a video on FB, where the captain was giving clear instructions from beyond the boundary to the batter on strike to “ hit a 4 then a 6” and WI will qualify! The batter proceeded to hit a 6 first and consequently WI failed to qualify!
Anybody knows the name of the batter and what country she is from????

In reply to natty_forever

just leave, nuh

tell CWI wunnu gine leave

and guh long bout wunnu bizness

why all de long talk?

In reply to natty_forever

Yeah….just as I suspected

In reply to natty_forever

before making that silly statement, did you consider that your head of state is still the King of England and your court of last resort is the Supreme Court in the UK?

how ironic

In reply to hubert

None of that makes sense....

In reply to conman

Is that your final answer ?

Do you have a country if you were born somewhere ?

In reply to sudden

And we are in the process of putting an end to that. So ...

In reply to hubert

Before I answer
Why are you asking this question?

Jamaican terminated as head coach and now T20I Captain. Barely any representation in any of the formats. No wonder a Jamaican is pushing for all teams to go it alone. What is even more amusing is he said that the Leeward and Windward Territories should continue to play as themselves.

Just the other day the same Imposter was championing Blackwood as an allrounder for WI.

In reply to bobby

Why Jamaica and Trinidad, Guyana can either field successful football, track n field teams and numerous boxers? Why Bim once had a cricket team that could beat any worldXI? Did the Federation team to the Olympics do better than many of the successful TNT or Yard teams?

Will history repeat itself? Was Jamaica not the one who withdrew from the WI Federation that lead Eric Williams to make this famous quote;" one from ten leaves nought">

In reply to hawk

You will advocate that as long as the power structure remains exactly as it is.

In reply to voiceofreason

We are being pushed, this time.

In golf there are the Ryder Cup and Presidents Cups…players from multiple countries compete under one banner every 2 years for a 4 day period…outside of that there is no other sport in which players represent multiple countries as the only mode of international competition… every nation has a right to decide its own destiny…I prefer the Yardies take licks like a mule rather than subject ourselves to the fragile egos of desperate little men in short pants (to quote the legendary Robert Neville “Bobby” Fray)

Black People unite!

In reply to natty_forever

For this you dont have to take so long, just go

stop the long talk

simply inform CWI and leave

what is so difficult about that?

In reply to natty_forever

Yard XI to beat Australia:

Campbell
Mckenzie
Brandon King
Blackwood
Glenn
Barnes
Aldane Thomas
Peat Salmon
Odean Smith
Marquino Mindley
Oshane Thomas

Head Coach Andre Coley
Bowling Coach Courtney Walsh
Batting and fielding coach- Jimmy Adams
Manager- Wavell Hinds
Consultant and Mentor-- Chris Gayle

In reply to sudden

I am not the president. Working on it.

In reply to voiceofreason

So emotional. I said T20 we go separate as the Olympics is nations only. Test and ODI, united we stand. Still entitled to my opinions, no?

In reply to Onionman0

Come on champ. Deep in your heart you know where this is coming from. Actually, it was very predictable.

In reply to natty_forever

You keep finding ways to "deunify"
Consider England, are you aware that while there is an England cricket team there is no England Olympic team....there is a Great Britain Olympic team made up of Wales, Scotland and England, Guess what, Great Britain is not a country, it is an island so there is precedent for unified teams to compete at the Olympics that is not a country hence there is no need to separate for T20 at the Olympics

everywhere else people try to get stronger by getting bigger. These people trying to get stronger by getting smaller. This great national pride that is being talked about, like it don't exist for regional tournaments. Jamaica is a great sprint nation and the sprinters complain everyday about poor treatment, what you think will happen to the cricketers

In reply to methodic

We are weaker playing together in this contrived colonial team than we would be if we all went our separate ways….too many are falling victim to the politricks of low self esteem lackeys

In reply to FanAttick

One Bobby Fray - the legend!

Sam Sharpe - “If I have done wrong in that, I trust that I shall be forgiven for I cast myself upon the Atonement … I would rather die upon yonder gallows than to live in slavery”.

In reply to FanAttick

for the umpteenth time who or what is stopping Ja from withdrawing from WI cricket?

inform CWI that you are withdrawing from its umbrella and henceforth will be competing as Ja

and just guh long please

In reply to methodic

So would you advocate for Pakistan and Bangladesh re unite with India ?
Simple answer.

In reply to sudden

Why not just kick them out and start by firing the CEO. He is no good either.Why put up with low level
executive when you have more eminently qualified folks.
It is obvious that you want the Jamaicans more than the Jamaicans want you. So assert
your authority and boot them.
After all they wrecked the colonial construct of Federation and yet you are persisting on their
presence and involvement at the highest level too.. It's your house ,boot them or S. .U.

And I say this as a friend

In reply to hubert

seems like the federation mishap, if one can be so generous, is still weighing heavily

easy peasy, just inform CWI that you want to pave your own path and leave

believe me, we wont hold this one against you

In reply to hubert

No Hubert..
The country that’s most interested in seceding from W.I. Cricket, should leave first.

Secession don’t need no Committee, or Commission Of Inquiry. West Indies Cricket will eventually break up… It’s only a matter of time.

Why wait if you’re unhappy. Just jump…

And I said that with a total Absence Of Malice…

In reply to sudden

Well we know you all want is to go, guess you hoping we would leave, so your conscience would be absolved. Hypocrits!

Elsie,
I hardly know what to make of your piece but what peeks my attention is your assertion that WI Cricket will eventually break up.
Why ?
If you are of such certainty then it would be more prudent and best for every one that this is done sooner rather than later.
But I disagree about your assertion. WI cricket does not have to go the way of the ill conceived Federation.
People who wants it to survive will work for such.
One country's Exit should not mean its demise but whether it lives or dies does not matter a row of pins to me.
Each Nation should pick its own poison. West Indies was not invented or birthed by Caribbean people but by the Enslavers through their
Colonial Office via the MCC who even gave it a Maroon colour separate from England,Australia,New Zealand and South Africa who were
all acorded red white and blue as their identifiable state.Much later the KIWIS through their main past time ,Rugby veered to black.
No one knows the significance of Maroon, except some may guess that it honours the Jamaican Maroons who were the first to defeat the
British in war in the new world. Perhaps you and others who so revere this West Indies concept can shed some light.

Were it left to me and others, Jamaica would have gone on its own at Independence in 1962 .As an independent nation ,
a paradigm shift should have occurred. As it transpired, my country still set out to assert itself on its own in other sports
endeavours and other things to have worldwide recognition. And that we have done. We we alone in cricket we would have done the
the same as a national imperative.

We don't need to be a part of any joint venture in Sports to achieve. The world ,including the Caribbean Islands know well
our resolve and achievements and leadership as a people.
We do not have to prove ourselves to anyone. That we have been linked with cricket is no fault or design on our part.
Our cricket was not developed by the triangular series among Guyana,Barbados and Trinidad. Rather it was by
the several tours of British teams but were in pole position as a Jamaicans was the first Captain on the initial
Test tour in 1928. Barbados first visit to Jamaica was in 1947. Yes 1947.Guyana came in 1951. We played one or two
games in late 1800s in the then Demerara(BG) and Barbados but none in Trinidad until the 1930s although Trinidad
visited us in 1910 and again in 1946.
We did not need WI cricket as much as you all. Yet the first captain was Jamaican to the initial Test tour in 1928
and Jamaicans were included as quota picks for early engagements in England in 1900 and 1906. even bi lateral arrangements were few and far between.
History has shown that you could NOT DO Without us ,even though we were not closely alligned.
I am sure you are well aware of the history but I painted that picture just to show that the Colonial enslavers were the ones that
named West Indies and even dictated the color Maroon. What was and is the significance of that color.
She some light on it as I doubt that it is related to the Maroons of Jamaica who beat the British in war in early 1700s .We had little or no say in our own affairs
then and apparently still so in Jamaica.
If you can't do without us tell us so. Because apparently you still do and can't do without us. Another example of this is a CEO, recently named
and he is Jamaican. I for one would never have taken any position in West Indies cricket. But to each his own.

We were as a people dictated to. And we still are in many ways.
I have no malice towards towards anyone about anything let alone over a fraud of a 'country' called West Indies.
I am well aware that for some of you ,that is all you have and that being so, it must mean a lot to you.
Since the powers that be in my country would not consider leaving, I entreat you all to use your feet
and place on our derriere.OUT. You can do without us fine.
Thanks for now and I will thank you very much, LATER.

In reply to natty_forever

if that is what it takes for you all to leave, the short answer is yes

yuh gone yet?

In reply to sudden

We leave it up to Sammy.

In reply to conman

I got the answer you could not provide. I done. I still have some journalism
know how or no how to you.
I done with you.

In reply to hubert

The initial premise of the discussion was the ‘Disbanding of West Indies Cricket’.

If the member nations secede from the group, disbandment will eventually occur.

Those who feel strongly about secession need not wait for a consensus or a general agreement. Just inform the group that you are leaving.

Apologies if I didn’t make myself clear first time around. Sometimes, us novice writers expect the audience to read our minds.

Thanks for the History.

In reply to Elsie

Remember last time 1 from 10 = 0. Be careful what you wish for. ICC going recognize you'll without us?

In reply to hawk

No, Great Britain is the country. Well, officially, it's actually the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Its constituent parts are considered nations.

The Olympic movement has shown itself quite flexible in accommodating changing political and geographical boundaries, but it's difficult to foresee them allowing countries to compete separately (as Jamaica, Barbados, etc.) and collectively at the same time.

In reply to hubert

You just said a lot of nothing

In reply to natty_forever

que sera, sera

In reply to KTom

there is no recognized country i.e. nation named Great Britain. Great Britain is an island shared by three countries (England, Wales and Scotland), just as Hispaniola is an island shared by two countries, (Haiti and Dominican Republic). There is a country called the United Kingdom, which comprises the three countries of Great Britain and Northern Ireland

the Olympic movement is flexible indeed, does the England football team compete at the Olympics given Great Britain competes as a group??? interesting
either way if we wanted to compete as the West Indies we could given the precedence have been set.

In reply to hawk

No, which is why Jamaica, Barbados, etc. can't compete at the Olympics if they were also to compete as the West Indies.

The logic of the matter seems to escape you. I wonder why.

In reply to sudden

Hey Suds 'pint af awda' when The Yard is written as JA di A mus' bi Capital yuh hear!

In reply to hawk

For one sport. GB does them all.

In reply to KTom

I was asking myself a similar question regarding you, I just checked at the Olympics there is no England football team but there is GB, while at the world cup there is no GB team but there is England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland

the flexibility is in allowing a GB team without a GB nation hence a West Indies team without a West Indies nation
anyway this never happen as a region we highlight our differences more than our similarities so this is pointless

response not required

In reply to hawk

GB participates in all disciplines in the Olympics.

In reply to natty_forever

Yes but only at the Olympics, can we assume that there will be GB cricket team then?

In reply to conman

Should I take that as a compliment. Sure, coming from a ....old.
Go seek attention with and from others...I said I done, with you.
Incapable of taking a hint ?

In reply to hawk

Do not like to assume (ass of u and me). But in this case, yes.

In reply to Elsie

No problem ,Elsie. We are all novices sometimes.

Question, will West Indies be allowed in the Olympics? It's not what we want, it's what IOC wants?

In reply to FanAttick

Combine the above big four and move forward. Dot mentality is killing us.

In reply to natty_forever

not unless we have a unified west indies Olympic team, which could be allowed given the GB scenario, this has always been my desire, West Indian representation in all sports, but it is clearly not something the region seem to care for at this stage, hence no place for any type of West Indies cricket team at the Olympics, I can see the football type model being used, which is worldwide qualifying tournament based on regions with 3 to 4 teams from each region Americas, Asia, Europe, Oceania etc. competing for spots and should be limited to U23 players

In reply to hawkSeems you get it now.

In reply to natty_forever

if you think I now got it, then you missed it completely, that is disappointing

SOS : Same Old shi_. 1962, referendum, let us break up the Federation. Ok, 0ne from ten equals zero. federation is dead, and 63 years later all those countries are in the same hole. no wonder, Trump refers to us as shit hole countries. Quick to exploit the divisive lines the colonial countries wedged between us, while, they themselves, having drained our sugar to the bones to develop themselves, now have their own unity to exploit the benefits of a common front. Meanwhile, dot calling dot a dot, because dot believe in his misguided head that he, with his 2.5million is on par with Thailand's 72 millions. It is like "pot telling burn pan his backside black." Dot doe not realize that he is a dot too.

So when West indies was up there, everybody wanted to associate with her. Now, she is going through her struggles, and all man and jack wants to go it alone, going back to all kinds of olfactory history about Jamaica women in the 1970's, and using track and field success as their "one from ten equals zero" excuse to leave the West Indies. When West Indies was up there, the crowds used to flood the grounds to notice them. If you noticed Champs in Jamaica this year, and even Carifta, the crowds have drastically reduced. When West Indies was at the top, we thought we were invincible. So too, the crowds overflowed the gates to view Champs. Maybe, we should start to ask, why are the crowds so vastly diminished? We did not pay attention to that when it started happening to Cricket, don't let it happen to Track and field, because if the crowd is not showing up, something is going wrong.

Truth be told, mano mano, per capita, the rest of the islands are par with Jamaica. By the share weight of its population, it would always have more athletes than the smaller dots. The Bahamas is doing extremely well with a population of just around 400,000. Grenada with a population of 110, 000 are not underproducing in comparison to Jamaica. St. Lucia, on a high after Julien Alfred, and Barbados. Trinidad, on the rebound based on the evidence of Carifta. So, Jamaica, whether on its own or otherwise would always seem to be superior than the others. But, when compared per capital, just as in GDP, after moving away from the Federation, may not be ahead of the rest in anything.

But d ‘England’ cricket team is already a combination of players from the England and Wales cricket board… Scotland on their own

In reply to Halliwell

Padner, you wrong: The England team is "a combination of players from WI, Pakistan, Ireland & South Africa." Like you forget how they poached out Ireland or wat

Some just do not get it.