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Chrissy 5/9/25, 4:52:04 PM
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Dis should made dem

Pope Leo XIV’s grandparents on his mother’s side lived in New Orleans before they migrated to Chicago, where his mother, Mildred Martinez Prevost, was born in 1912, said Jari C. Honora, a family historian at the Historic New Orleans Collection who shared his research and records with CNN.

Leo’s maternal grandparents, Joseph and Louise Martinez, are listed as Black in a Census record from 1900. Joseph is recorded as a cigar maker born in “Hayti.” The Census record shows the couple as living in New Orleans’ 7th Ward, historically a melting pot of cultures in the Crescent City.


I will sit back wid di popcorn. Butter please! big grin
sudden 5/9/25, 4:59:09 PM
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black my big toe

we must stop with this crap

that man is white for all the world to see

there are white Haytians you know
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Chrissy 5/9/25, 5:14:39 PM
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Yuh miss dis part


Leo’s maternal grandparents, Joseph and Louise Martinez, are listed as Black in a Census record from 1900. Joseph is recorded as a cigar maker born in “Hayti.”
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ponderiver 5/9/25, 5:24:08 PM
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Yuh miss dis part
him miss it fi true it is suddenly QUIETbig grinbig grinbig grin
Chrissy 5/9/25, 5:35:16 PM
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lol
velo 5/9/25, 5:54:37 PM
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StumpCam 5/9/25, 6:11:59 PM
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I have a friend from Dominica last whose name is Prevost.
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Kay 5/9/25, 6:43:18 PM
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Is your friend black? smile
Chrissy 5/9/25, 6:51:59 PM
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All with links to Haiti. Lots of links with the Haitian/French Creoles.
sudden 5/9/25, 8:27:01 PM
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Back in the day french creoles as white as they thought themselves to be in Hayti would be considered black in the good ole south

are we so damaged psychologically that we have to claim these kind of people to feel relevant?
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Chrissy 5/9/25, 8:42:24 PM
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Go read Miss Lou’s classic
Mi daughter pass fi white. Way more damage in that side.
Di man has African ancestors, tek weh youself.

He will soon be accused of eating di dogs and cats.

Wake up evrybadee
nick2020 5/10/25, 3:23:02 AM
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But Chrissy think about the world as you see it.

A person appears to be white.
You find out that person has a black person in his ancestry.
Person is now black in your eyes.

That isn't sensible.

And isn't having a black person in your family tree = black a one drop racist view?
dayne 5/10/25, 4:15:02 AM
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The race labelling practice could be ridiculous at times, in North, South and Central America many people are mixed race but do not look like they are.
Casper 5/10/25, 5:54:52 AM
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One only has to look at his complexion, which struck me from the start, to know he has some “one drop” somewhere along the ancestral line.

I am not a bit surprised by this finding.
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sgtdjones 5/10/25, 4:41:58 PM
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The newly elected pontiff is not known to have publicly commented on his Creole ancestry, which includes people of mixed Spanish or French and Black descent. And the family did not identify as Black, his brother told The New York Times.John Prevost, the new pope’s older brother, confirmed that his maternal grandparents came from Haiti but told CNN he didn’t know much more about the family’s background.

“There wasn’t a whole lot spoken about roots in our day,” he said, noting the grandparents on his father’s side came to the US as orphans without any documentation of their ethnic history.

Leo’s own history was already an unusual one: He was a missionary to Peru who has spent decades outside the United States.

CNN
Chrissy 5/10/25, 5:42:36 PM
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There is another view - that running from your African ancestry to fit into a racist white supremacist world is evidence of an inferiority complex.

You should see my family and our ancestors.
nickoutr 5/10/25, 5:51:02 PM
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I thought you abhorred the catholic church

are you newly converted?
Chrissy 5/10/25, 6:33:51 PM
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This is sociology and political science not religion. I abhor all religion.
Drapsey 5/10/25, 6:40:47 PM
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Nick would've been happier if you had endorsed the Islamic community being established in midst of the ultra-conservative state of Texas.

‘Islamic housing development’ under investigation by Justice Department
nickoutr 5/10/25, 6:53:07 PM
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compare chalk to cheese
cricketmad 5/10/25, 7:18:58 PM
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You all going to cause Leo the little job ,by exposing his racial background.
nickoutr 5/10/25, 7:28:18 PM
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ponnder on this

The name "Pope Africanus" most likely refers to Pope Victor I, who was born in the Roman Province of Africa, and later became a saint. Another figure associated with Africa and the Catholic Church is Leo Africanus (al-Hasan ibn Muhammad ibn Ahmad al-Wazzan), a Muslim scholar who later converted to Christianity and was baptized by Pope Leo X. Leo Africanus is known for his work, "The Description of Africa," which became a key resource for European exploration of the continent.
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sgtdjones 5/10/25, 7:37:15 PM
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This is sociology and political science not religion. BS....

I will explain why.

Religion intersects with both sociology and political science, but it is not synonymous with either discipline.
Rather, it is a field of study in its own right,though it often overlaps with these areas in meaningful ways.

Religion and Sociology
Sociology examines religion as a social institution, exploring its role in shaping societies, cultures, and human behavior.
Sociologists study:

How religion influences social norms and values.
The ways religious groups form and maintain cohesion.
The relationship between religion and identity (e.g., race, ethnicity, gender).
Secularization and how societies change in their approach to religion over time.
For example, Émile Durkheim, one of sociology's founders, studied religion as a source of social solidarity and collective consciousness, focusing on how it binds communities together.

Religion and Political Science
In political science, religion is analyzed in terms of its influence on governance, policy-making, and power structures.
Scholars examine:

The role of religion in shaping political ideologies and movements.
How religious institutions interact with the state (e.g., theocracy, secularism).
The impact of religious beliefs on voter behaviour and political campaigns.
Conflicts or cooperation between religious and political entities.
For instance, political scientists might explore the role of religion in shaping laws or how it affects international relations, such as the influence of religious ideologies on peace negotiations.

While religion is often studied within sociology and political science, it is broader than either discipline and encompasses theology, philosophy, anthropology, and history.
Sociology tends to focus on religion's societal impacts, while political science examines its influence on power and governance.
Together, these fields help us understand the multifaceted role of religion in human life.


References:
Émile Durkheim (1858–1917) - Often considered the founder of the sociology of religion, Durkheim analyzed religion as a social phenomenon. His work The Elementary Forms of Religious Life explored how religion contributes to social cohesion and collective consciousness.
Max Weber (1864–1920) - A key figure in sociology, Weber studied the relationship between religion and economics in works like The Protestant Ethic and the Spirit of Capitalism. He examined how religious beliefs influence societal structures and individual behavior.

Aristotle (384–322 BCE) - Known as the "Father of Political Science," Aristotle analyzed governance and political systems in his work Politics. He categorized different forms of government and examined their roles in society.
Niccolò Machiavelli (1469–1527) - Often called the "father of modern political science," Machiavelli's work The Prince explored power dynamics, statecraft, and the pragmatic, sometimes ruthless, exercise of political authority.

Sarge.
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Ayenmol 5/10/25, 9:49:59 PM
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I told you all....my cousin, the BLACK Sheep was up for consideration.....alyou did not get it....oh well!
Ayenmol 5/10/25, 10:03:03 PM
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are we so damaged psychologically that we have to claim these kind of people to feel relevant?


Welcome to my world.

How many times have I said this over the years....same people crying about racism are prone to see color than even the ones they accusing.

You were the ponderiver of this thread....people who blindly follow what they view as intelligent people who are in fact far from it!

5he man mother was caucasian....check the pics.

Outside of the color of our skin, what is there? We all have the same blood and in this Parton the world, who knows the percentage of us who have DNA from all the races we "hate" and devile.

The same person who claim the entities will never do it, finds a way to speak around it, as if it was an accident.

Ugh.
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