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Chase as WI Test captain 'odd'..Sir Clive Lloyd

 
sgtdjones 2025-05-22 12:26:25 

Sir Clive calls decision to pick Chase as WI Test captain 'odd'

WEST Indies legend Sir Clive Lloyd said he was surprised by the decision to name Roston Chase as the new captain of the regional Test team.Chase was named as the new skipper on May 16 as the replacement for Kraigg Brathwaite, who made the decision to step down from the position.

On May 20, speaking on the Mason and Guest Show in Barbados, Lloyd said that because Chase has not been a consistent member of the team over the years, he would have chosen someone else.“He is in and out of the side,” Lloyd said.“I thought the captain would have been a permanent member (of the side)...so it seems a bit odd.”

Lloyd had years of experience leading the regional team in the 1970s and 1980s, guiding the team in one of their most dominant periods. Chase was one of many players who were shortlisted. Jomel Warrican was named vice-captain.The shortlisted players were John Campbell, Tevin Imlach, Joshua Da Silva, Justin Greaves, Chase and Warrican.

 
openning 2025-05-22 13:49:51 

In reply to sgtdjones

Chase has not been a consistent member of the team over the years

Thank you, Clive.

DOC: Lack the experience for the position.
He may be good at reading, but most of his decisions are not tested.
Let's think of the duties of the Coach/selector of the three formats.
Is he located in Antigua, which houses the Academy?

 
FanAttick 2025-05-22 14:03:49 

In reply to sgtdjones

Is this the same Lloyd who was advocating for Shai Hope-less to be made captain?

This is the reason why Mikey Holding has distanced himself from Big Pu$$y in recent times…he will sing for his supper with scant regard for any semblance of self respect

 
dayne 2025-05-22 14:15:17 

It is kind of ironic Lloyd would say that about Chase's appointment, Lloyd was in and out of the WI team when he was appointed to the captaincy also. Hooper was not a regular member of the WI team when he became captain.

 
camos 2025-05-22 14:24:08 

Chase is not captain material, end of story, how many times he captain Barbados?

 
anthonyp 2025-05-22 14:31:07 

Kirk McKenzie should be the captain...

Come in Slippy... let them know about the new GOAT.

 
dayne 2025-05-22 14:32:26 

In reply to camos

That remains to be seen. It will be interesting to observe, I think and hope it will be the resurgence of Chase as a Test cricketer.

 
camos 2025-05-22 14:48:33 

In reply to dayne

captain's appointment usually helps the appointee improves his batting average; guess you become more responsible, so that is expected, but I am looking for someone to motivate the team.

 
tc1 2025-05-22 14:56:45 

In reply to camos

You also stated many times he does not look like a cricketer without explaining.

 
soloview 2025-05-22 14:58:11 

Lloyd may be right on this occasion, still appreciating his contribution to our cricket, but I lost respect for his opinion. As head selector, he tried to justify leaving Bravo out of the WI T20 squad while Bravo was selected on the world 11. That has to be someone who is ah a food embodied.

 
natty_forever 2025-05-22 14:59:57 

In reply to FanAttick

All that depends on when, before or after his test average duck below 30?

 
FanAttick 2025-05-22 15:14:40 

In reply to natty_forever

He was arguing for Hope-less than a month ago brethren!

 
pariaman 2025-05-22 15:19:09 

A shot in the dark with eyes closed is almost sure to miss its target

This will not end well

Sammy is way out of his depth

 
Kay 2025-05-22 16:20:36 

In reply to pariaman

his will not end well

Sammy is way out of his depth

This has been the case for the past 2 decades where all the coaches and captains have been out of their depths and the teams have been disgraceful to say the least. You think Da Silva with a 20 something average will now magically add a feather into Sammy's cap and the team will start winning?

It has not ended well for the longest while by the way ... so?

 
imusic 2025-05-22 16:23:24 

It has not ended well for the longest while by the way ... so?

So…..appoint yet another Baje

Guaranteed not to end well cool

 
pariaman 2025-05-22 16:31:02 

Lets continue with the bajes and hope despite doing the same thing over and over for a different result

Einstein was wrong about his definition of madness

 
Slipfeeler 2025-05-22 17:16:44 

In reply to sgtdjones

Thank you Sir Lloyd for not mincing words. That is the CWI/Bajan playbook, when a player fails, hideout him out for a period of time then reselect him, thinking that we are all blind fools not to see what they are doing. Meanwhile if you are a Yardie or from another island, there are no re-selection for you just discarded. Let’s see their intentions towards DeSiva, who has been scoring runs lately?

 
pariaman 2025-05-22 17:22:34 

In reply to Slipfeeler

The tests has been cancelled a debate will be held instead

Sammy way in front of us

Who talks best wins

 
Brerzerk 2025-05-22 17:26:37 

Interesting
When Lloyd (deservedly and astutely so) was appointed WI captain he was out of the side for quite some time!!
Holder's elevation to the captaincy (by Lloyd) was also quite odd.

 
pariaman 2025-05-22 17:29:52 

In reply to Brerzerk

To compare The Great Clive Lloyd to Chase is an insult of the highest order

To compare the west indies team at that time to this one is beyond stupidity

We could have probably fielded about three world class teams

 
Brerzerk 2025-05-22 17:55:28 

In reply to pariaman

You are conflating. Lloyd finds it strange that Chase who has been in and out o the team and has been out for some time now is appointed cappo.
Lloyd was appointed Cappo in the same manner. I find those comments interesting, how is that comparing both men on anything but how they were appointed, what is the relevance of team comparisons from the different eras and how many teams WI could field.

Befo' yuh claim that someone is doing something they aren't doing and that it is beyond stupidity duh 2 tings fuss.
a. Read weh yuh write
b.look pon 4 odder finga a pint back pon yuh.
er c. Larn fi read what is in front a yuh and not wah inna yuh 'ead.

 
Narper 2025-05-22 17:56:44 

Lloyd wanted Jason Holder to be cappo for life

 
Elsie 2025-05-22 18:08:05 

In reply to FanAttick


Lloyd is advocating ‘Yes’ in favor of Hope, and ‘No’ to Chase. So I don’t understand your complaint about that… He said that it’s odd that Chase was selected to be captain.

The trouble is nobody told him that Hope refused the job….

Lloyd is an old man and should not be consulted on these matters. He’s too far removed from the details.

Anyway, concerning that other thing about himself being in and out of the team before being made captain. The facts would show that Lloyd played in all of the previous 10 test matches before being appointed captain.

 
pariaman 2025-05-22 18:11:25 

Let me break it down for you as simple as i can

A player in Lloyd's time could be out of the team and still be a world class player.

Right now most of the players on the team are not world class players

Chase is certainly not a world class player and his returns against Australia will prove this beyond all doubt

 
natty_forever 2025-05-22 18:42:49 

In reply to Elsie

Lloyd's choice of Hope is old news,is that still his claim?

 
Elsie 2025-05-22 18:50:41 

In reply to natty_forever

Lloyd's choice of Hope is old news,is that still his claim?


Yes.... It is, he called for Hope on the Mason Show this past Tuesday. Ironically, it was already made public that Hope did not want the job..

 
Brerzerk 2025-05-22 19:59:22 

In reply to Elsie

Elsie thanks, though partially incorrect you've reminded me that Lloyd played vs. NZ '72, Oz and England '73. '72 he came in for injured Rowe.
'73 he did not play the full series vs. Oz. but made very good runs when he played. Because I remember him as an outstanding 12th man in the covers
at Sabina I forgot he did play in the series. Lloyd mentioned that when The Dashing Freddo made an unusually slow 160+ (Headingly?) '73 as the senior
player at the presser he informed them that WI is now playing to a different rhythm...no longer calypso but reggae.

 
natty_forever 2025-05-22 21:54:41 

In reply to Brerzerk

And there you have it why Yaadies are failing. Trying to play calypso cricket when we built for Reggae!

 
googley 2025-05-22 22:08:41 

In reply to natty_forever

Hahahaha. Reggae on brother lol

 
natty_forever 2025-05-22 22:19:04 

In reply to googley

The only team that plays "Reggae" has consistently ranked in the top 5 in the world.

 
FanAttick 2025-05-23 02:34:04 

In reply to Elsie

Lloyd is advocating ‘Yes’ in favor of Hope, and ‘No’ to Chase. So I don’t understand your complaint about that… He said that it’s odd that Chase was selected to be captain.


Lloyd said no to Chase because he’s been in and out of the side but is saying yes to Hope who is an abject failure in tests and who has been out of the side for years? Make that make sense.

 
Slipfeeler 2025-05-23 03:50:40 

In reply to natty_forever

If Jamaica had gone alone and taken cricket as seriously as track and field and football, we would have long surpassed WI in world rankings but since we are blamed for destroying Federation, we continue to link ourselves with one the last vestiges of colonialism, much to the embarrassment of many Jamaicans.

 
JoeGrine 2025-05-23 07:20:07 

In reply to Slipfeeler

Jamaica takes football seriously?
Jamaican track and field is about coaches and managers investing in the sport, not administrators.

 
Besar 2025-05-23 07:55:27 

The greatest captain, but not the greatest comment. Who are the permanent players in that team to choose from besides the one who resigned, and Roach? Not even one of those on the short list have been permanent. Roach at 36 is on his way out, and a bit injury prone recently. So, ask the great Clive Lloyd, who is the permanent player he recommends?

 
StumpCam 2025-05-23 09:16:39 

Is Lloyd part of the decision making committee???
Why the obsession with a sound bite of one who is not part of the process???

 
NYCGURU 2025-05-23 10:25:15