The Independent Voice of West Indies Cricket

Why are young Saffie batters able to adapt

allan 6/16/25, 8:39:28 PM
allan avatar image

debut: 2/9/03
11,274 runs

- They play IPL like Windies batters

What is the difference? Most of the Saffie top/professionals are in the IPL play lickit T20 cricket.

some however play more English County cricket - Bedingham
natty_forever 6/16/25, 8:51:52 PM
natty_forever avatar image

debut: 4/28/03
60,743 runs

In reply to allan

Why you asking answers???
Jumpstart 6/16/25, 9:12:21 PM
Jumpstart avatar image

debut: 11/30/17
11,991 runs

In reply to allan

only two in the current lineup were consistently ipl picks(i mean part of the starting xi): markram, who averages 35 in tests and rickleton, who just got an ipl contract this season for the first time. i didn't mention the bowlers(kg, jansen etc).i don't see what this has to do with anything though because all of our batsmen now average under 35. and of those debuting after 1990, only five have finished with averages over 40(lara, tiger, gayle, adams, sarwan). And that number only increases by two if we lower the boundary to averages over 35(hooper and darren bravo) WEST INDIAN BATSMANSHIP IS DAMN POOR. running and blaming the ipl, india, de trini cabal, jamaican mercenaries will not change that. Our players cannot succeed on a consistent basis even on benign pitches(de ja test at sabina versus Bangladesh CCC is proof). the two batsmen who had the most impact on this test never played county cricket or have not played in over half a decade(aiden and bavuma).

Bangladesh has the excuse that they are a relatively new nation, oscillating between politically oppression and instability and that they were not ready for full member status. the west indies had an uninterrupted 80 year run when coming to great batsmen and great batsmanship, starting with headley in the 30s and finishing with lara and chanderpaul in the 2000s. That that has ended first gradually and then a precipitous decline is symptomatic of deep, deep structural issues. Have you ever noticed poorly performing economies struggle for a while before they collapse? Sri Lanka is a good example of that. Similarly the west indian ability to produce great batsmen slowed in the mid 80s, we still had very good batsmen coming in,(lara adams, chanderpaul) but other than them and hooper, few could consistently hold down a spot. ditto in the 200s.....sarwan and gayle were the only dudes to consistently hold on to their places. And that it was only two of them indicates that the amount of quality batsmen we produced was diminishing even more. when those two along with bravo(who was an allrounder) were forced out, the only quality replacement was darren bravo, and he was exiled eventually as well. the west indian methodology(there is none but im being kind) for producing quality players is badly, badly flawed. the minute they have the stones to fix that, the minute we start making consistent progress instead of flashes in the pan like brisbane 2024
Chrissy 6/16/25, 9:19:30 PM
Chrissy avatar image

debut: 11/14/02
200,916 runs

In reply to allan
They learn basic technique as children
Brerzerk 6/16/25, 9:46:26 PM
Brerzerk avatar image

debut: 3/16/21
12,601 runs

Watch RSA's players' transition from U19 to FC and then Int'l cricket, then watch ours. Compare timespan between Markrham's and Carty's development.
Compare Rabada's and Alzari's ability growth? There's your answer, we have not the means to teach, develop nor maintain talent. Factors such as phased physical strengthening and fitness for the sport is not understood by our 'technical personnel'
hawk 6/16/25, 11:57:46 PM
hawk avatar image

debut: 4/1/07
4,615 runs

In reply to allan

South African cricket is better than West Indies at all levels
natty_forever 6/17/25, 12:57:52 AM
natty_forever avatar image

debut: 4/28/03
60,743 runs

In reply to Brerzerk

And there you have it. So I ask myself, not one of our admin can take flight to say one of the top 3 and just observe?
allan 6/17/25, 1:27:07 AM
allan avatar image

debut: 2/9/03
11,274 runs

In reply to Brerzerk

I believe you are right..