The Independent Voice of West Indies Cricket

Folks, get it into our thick skulls.

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Courtesy 6/29/25, 2:48:37 PM
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Most of our players, in particular batsmen, do not have the skillset which will oallow us to function with a high degree of success at the international level.

Some of us prefer to be in pertpetual denial rather than to accept this fact: we are not good enough.

The current cricket infrastructure does not allow West Indies cricket to succeed at the international level.

Further, if an administartive system is lacking accountability then it's a recipe for disaster.

How can you use metrics arising out of a crap system as criteria for selection.

Crap in crap out.

Let's save ourselves the constant headache. I have...big grin

After35 years in the cricket wilderness, our administrators have not been able to come up with a blueprint which will guarantee moderate success. The resultant effect is that we continue to recycle garbage.

No Shallow brain will continue along the current path an expect to succeed...a radical system overhaul is needed or we should get the fuck out of the game.
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hubert 6/29/25, 2:55:09 PM
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In reply to Courtesy

Thanks.Always succinct. Where the hell were you ?
Anyway hope everything is ok with you.
Courtesy 6/29/25, 2:59:17 PM
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In reply to hubert

Maximising my earnings.

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Truth be told, I have completely lost interest in West Indies cricket. I refuse to be a glutton for punishment.

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StumpCam 6/29/25, 3:04:07 PM
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In reply to Courtesy

Inhindsight, is enthusiastically optimistic about the future!razz
Courtesy 6/29/25, 3:06:08 PM
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In reply to StumpCam

This guy is cerebrally deficient which explains his piss poor judgement. You should discount anything that he posts...or better yet shun him.
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CricSham 6/29/25, 3:24:14 PM
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In reply to Courtesy

Thoughtful and in depth analysis. Right to the point no beating around the bush. We are just not good enough and the present system is dysfunctional.
Courtesy 6/29/25, 3:29:19 PM
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Absolutely.

I have said it before: we are attempting to solve the consequences of a much larger problem.

...attempting to shove 40 kilos of potatoes into a 10 kilo sack...impossilble.
CricSham 6/29/25, 3:39:46 PM
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I covered the game and saw with my own eyes. Yes, there were dodgy decisions that went against us, but that is not our problem. Our batsmen just do not have the skill set. The only one that impressed was Hope that comes as no surprise to anyone. Besides him, we are hopeless no pun intended.
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Courtesy 6/29/25, 3:46:26 PM
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In reply to CricSham

I covered the game and saw with my own eyes. Yes, there were dodgy decisions that went against us, but that is not our problem. Our bat just do not have the skill set. The only one that impressed was Hope that comes as no surprise to anyone. Besides him, we are hopeless no pun intended.


Whappen to CC? My response never showed up when I pressed "save."

Our best batsman is terribly deficient in a certain aspect of the game.

I am not giving Australia any clues.big grin
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CricSham 6/29/25, 3:56:12 PM
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In reply to Courtesy

Sorry about that Let me check I don’t know.
Joshua 6/29/25, 4:08:52 PM
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Thank you sir I said this the other day West Indies problem is not selection and no amount of pseudo data analysis of selecting players will solve that.

We simply lack quality players because of a poor grassroots system where the pool of players is shallow no pun intended. I have seen no coherent plan as to how to get more kids playing cricket and strengthening grassroots, schools and club cricket which is how you will get a deeper pool.
CCW 6/29/25, 4:11:45 PM
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I am mostly in agreement with you.... but there has to be room for the eternal optimist amongst us even though it's patently obvious we are sh*t an it's not because there is a lack of talent it's absolutely because the structure cannot harness the talent ....if some of the more talented was given a couple of seasons in mainly English country cricket for eg they would improve immeasurably an I'm mainly talking about our batsmen.....of course they are exceptions that in my opinion are beyond help notably KB an AJ....a couple of dunce scu**hol*s!!!
Courtesy 6/29/25, 4:16:30 PM
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Nice to hear from you mate.

Our problems are endemic and reflect a dearth of problem solvers at CWI level.

This does not require an extensive or complicated problem identification exercise and the formulation of strategic imperatives.

I will not be bothered by such hopelessness anymore.
Courtesy 6/29/25, 4:19:45 PM
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In reply to CCW

I am mostly in agreement with you.... but there has to be room for the eternal optimist amongst us even though it's patently obvious we are sh*t an it's not because there is a lack of talent it's absolutely because the structure cannot harness the talent


I am not advocating homogeniety by any means. We cannot all see the glass half empty.

Best of luck.
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Courtesy 6/29/25, 4:28:50 PM
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...if some of the more talented was given a couple of seasons in mainly English country cricket for eg they would improve immeasurably an I'm mainly talking about our batsmen...

It was quite obvious to anyone with a brain molecule that the English, when they made it virtually impossible for us to use county cricket as our training ground were attempting to take down our cricket.

What did our administrators do to mitigate this? After over 35 years they are playing with their fingers and balls and in a perpetual state of nacrolepsy.
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KTom 6/29/25, 5:46:13 PM
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In reply to CricSham

Thoughtful and in depth analysis.


How is it in-depth? After every series defeat or tournament failure an exact same thread appears.

Where I differ is that I believe Caribbean cricket is pretty much where it should be - seeking merely competence, not excellence. There never was a golden era of West Indian cricket, on or off the field, just a brief period of relative success in an essentially pre-professional era. In other words, there is no model of excellence to return to. I genuinely believe that today's West Indian side is as good, if not better, than the West Indies teams of the 1980s.
KTom 6/29/25, 5:49:00 PM
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It was quite obvious to anyone with a brain molecule that the English, when they made it virtually impossible for us to use county cricket as our training ground were attempting to take down our cricket.


How did the English make it virtually impossible to use county cricket?
Courtesy 6/29/25, 5:50:18 PM
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...I genuinely believe that today's West Indian side is as good, if not better, than the West Indies teams of the 1980s...


This is so trumpian.

But we live in a culture where the biggest BS finds its niche.
Courtesy 6/29/25, 5:52:39 PM
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In reply to KTom

How did the English make it virtually impossible to use county cricket?


I rather suspect that you don't have a clue as to how the ECCB conspired to kill West Indies cricket. Look up the history books comrade.
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KTom 6/29/25, 5:56:29 PM
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For the general edification, please share.
Courtesy 6/29/25, 6:06:37 PM
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Did you follow the early exploits of our cricketers in county cricket (the sheer numbers who participated) and the severe rulings which were hatched then to limit their numbers? And even when the rule was tokenly relaxed several decades later, it mainly accomodated our bowlers.
sudden 6/29/25, 6:11:32 PM
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that is not on what he is going to base his rebuttal

it will more tend towards WI cricketers were no longer good enough to attract English Clubs
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sudden 6/29/25, 6:13:03 PM
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In reply to KTom

Where I differ is that I believe Caribbean cricket is pretty much where it should be - seeking merely competence, not excellence. There never was a golden era of West Indian cricket, on or off the field, just a brief period of relative success in an essentially pre-professional era. In other words, there is no model of excellence to return to. I genuinely believe that today's West Indian side is as good, if not better, than the West Indies teams of the 1980s.


at first blush, rather superficial coming from you

could you elaborate
hubert 6/29/25, 6:17:53 PM
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In reply to Courtesy

You and me have much in common. Would you believe that I have to force
myself to watch games ? Been more than 10 years now that I have not watched
more than 1/2 a day's play.

The cricket administration be it global,national or local is not the same.
I have practically lost my appetite.
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Courtesy 6/29/25, 6:22:38 PM
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In reply to sudden

I doubt very much doubt he will attempt a rebuttal. This guy seems totally clueless with regard to the history of West Indies cricket.
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