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I told you hope, chase and brathwaite were not up to international standard in the test game. Shai Hope has an issue outside offstump and with the short ball. They have both been exposed on the seaming wickets we have played on in Barbados. Kraigg is a proven failure, he should not be anywhere near this team. If I were Sammy, I’d start the ball rolling for the next tour by eating humble pie and inviting Darren Bravo, a batsman clearly of international standard back to play in the WI test side. I would also invite Joshua Da Silva who was the second highest run scorer and Imlach, who was fourth in the 4-day tournament to the line up

That is it there

The right combo to make WI world conquerors

Why did Sammy not think of that ?

In reply to sudden

Boy is to ignore allyuh bajans when coming to cricket. You have no standards. At all.

I think Tarnish, Imlach and Barvo would be great for WI

In reply to sudden

They can’t do worse than hopeless, Kraigg and chase

I am sure you are correct

In reply to Jumpstart

six of one, half a dozen of the other

In reply to Jumpstart

Our team at Brisbane in Jan 2024

Kragg
Chanderpaul
McKenzie
Athanaze
Hodge
Greaves
da Silva
Sinclair
Alzarri
Roach
Shamar

Those who've come in and replaced Tage, McKenzie, Athanaze, Hodge, da Silva, Sinclair and Roach have not improved the team. On the contrary, they've weakened the Test side further.

In reply to mikesiva

Perhaps the man in the SLIPS was correct.

In reply to Jumpstart

Windies today is mediocre; and have been for decades; they will continue to be mediocre and a disgrace until the individual countries take charge and WICB is disbanded forever.

In reply to Jimmy

and what will that accomplish?

If the dotish Haynes had not chased Bravo stating that he is investing in Carty and Athanaze (barely averaging 20 in tests between the two of them with 3 half centuries in about 20 tests) then, we may at least have had one solid batsman in the top 7. Instead we have none and no allrounder. We are a team with 2 1/2 seam bowlers and possibly a 1/2 spinner (who almost never bowls - I speak of Warrican and not Chase) and nothing else. At best it is 3 men of international standard playing other test teams.

In reply to Jumpstart

I am aware Barbados has not produce a great batsman since Dessie, apart from Lara can you name two great batsman from T&T?

In reply to velo

A fresh start for Cricket in the region; bring the legacy of a great Windies experience to a graceful end, let the individual countries build and drive their own cricket destiny, contribute to realignment of the ICC structure and intl cricket with a new crop of teams… until then, we are stuck with Windies cricket mediocrity ad infinitum

In reply to sudden

Isn't Bravo a little long in the tooth?
Why are you even bringing that up?
Bravo would do well to light up the FC season by scoring enough runs to attract the attention of these myopic selectors.
That said, Haynes was correct to look to the younger players.

In reply to Jumpstart

Bro, don't agree.....
These bowling attack of Australia is the best in the world..... Cummins+ Starc+Hazelwood+Lyon.....combine wickets more than 1400 wickets...@22,@24,@27@30...

With little luck.... West Indies can beat Australia..

In reply to Jumpstart

Fully agree, Brisbane I felt could have been a milestone of the team we want to grow and nurture.
Ok, they lost tests afterwards but they were competitive and generally lasting the 5 days and on the right track
Back now to being annihilated in 3/4 days

In reply to openning

Feelings hurt I see.

...and the TiTs do not get the same love as bajans.

In reply to openning

Lara is better than every barbados batsman produced save Sir Gary homes.

In reply to embsallie

He did light up a tournament and was roundly ignored

In reply to Conorboy

i really thought brisbane would be a turning point. i really did. i didn't expect us to win the england series, in fact i expected us to do quite poorly with anderson, who was playing his last test and wood in the squad, who we and most teams have struggled against when he's fit and without adequate preparation. What i didn't like was the dropping of players and the keeping of those who had been poor. Mckenzie is the only batsman in the west indies who can play straight and was instrumental in the brisbane win. Joshua Da Silva is the best player of pace bowling in the west indies and Kavem hodge is certainly the gutsiest. these three played major roles in brisbane 2024 and they are out of the team now. Kraigg Brathwaite is being celebrated for reaching 100 tests despite being the batsman with the lowest average of those who've reached the milestone nd is still in the WI setup. Chase and hop have been brought in even though a simple arithmetic exercise will show that you cannot expect more than 25 from either batsman. It, like antigua 2003, champions trophy 2004 and wisden trophy 2009 are missed opportunities

In reply to Jimmy

and you really think these tiny islands can survive a schism of this nature. the pattern in every sphere of this world, not just sports,of late is for smaller territories, companies and organizations to either descend into non-existence or irrelevance, or be absorbed by bigger entities. The islands couldn't survive 30 years ago separately when there was even the hint of magnanimity, they definitely can't survive now. If you're thinking about athletics, Jamaica has always been an athletics powerhouse and the starting capital to create a world class sprinter is a lot less than that required to create a technically competent cricketer. What we need to do is to stop accepting mediocrity. the legacy of the past is not a burden but a benchmark. As Faz said last night, you will never hear Jamaicans saying 9.58 and 36.84 are too hard for jamaican sprinters to reach. that is the standard expected of jamaican athletes. and by i mean their expected their philosophy is if one man and one team reached those markers, then you can reach it too.

In reply to Jimmy

Really ? And who going pay for that indivisual caribbean government i think not

In reply to Jumpstart

When Barbados is strong, CWI cricket is strong.
No one has ever said the same about Lara, as an island.
Thank God, you have a few players still in the IPL. Pooran may be the only representative in a year.

In reply to openning

i agree. and barbados has produced some of the worst west indies cricketers in the last 30 years since our official downfall: patterson thompson, ryan hurley, ryan hinds, dwayne smith, kraigg, rtn, courtney browne, tino, ashley nurse, miguel cummins, raymond reifer, floyd reifer....the list is almost inexhaustible

you said that after pollard and bravo retired from the ipl

In reply to Jumpstart

When it comes to what cricket in Barbados has become, I saw it firsthand.
I played cricket in the BCA because I was in good financial standing, and never had to worry about being dropped.
That is the same today, with amateur cricket on the Island.
Our junior program is at the top in the region, but our clubs just don't have the money to develop players.

In reply to openning
nobody cares homes. your junior program is mediocre, as both Dr Rudi Webster and international results have shown.

Ability is not enough
pantas, if you and the rest of the coral rock are satisfied with batsmen averaging 32 and under, then that entire islands needs mental help and west indies cricket is doomed.

i believe the tits have now surpassed all the other territories in cricket ability

In reply to sudden

that is not exactly a big achievement

true

of all the territories i think the Tits could go it alone and become world beaters

such is the quality of their players

In reply to sudden

no we cant. if the people that feel they are the regional powerhouses are being beaten in the first two days of a scheduled 4-day game, you know things are bad

well, that is a let down

In reply to velo

Don’t believe the shyte coming out of some of these people. Last night, Usan bolt was being interviewed on Eurosport’s, he said, He made some money in sports, at a very young age, he bought a home in a housing complex, at the age of 23, he sold it and ran out. Because of the colour of his skin, they made it impossible to live in the complex in peace, after the Paris Olympics, the 400m female runner, pleaded with the French immigration officials, seeking asylum.

In reply to Jumpstart

Yes,
I cannot find any logic whatsoever in the current selection of both the captaincy and the batting line up.
It is strangely bizarre.

In reply to Jumpstart

Think of what is possible not what cannot be done; negative thinking is killing the region.

In reply to Edrich

If possible please post the link to that. Which female 400m runner?

In reply to Jumpstart

Its a completely new team, with exception of a few bowlers… this the west indies team is worst every field except our pace bowlers

In reply to Cricket_101

King is decent. the rest of the lineup is rubbish. but then again we knew that. i'd give carty an extended run. he has to be viewed in light of the fact that he has to face the new ball all the time because kraigg and campbell leave early. the rest have been tested at the test level and have been proven very inadequate

In reply to Jumpstart

I agree. West Indies have to keep searching for a better opening pair.

I'm not saying they need to get a Greenidge and Haynes part 2 (though that would be fantastic but not realistic) but they need an opening pair who are capable of putting on at least 60-70 runs consistently so the middle order can bat against an older ball and first change bowlers.

In reply to SnoopDog

exactly....you don't need guys who could bash the ball around and get you 50-70 runs in no time. i never saw greenidge or haynes but i do know they were once in a lifetime players. we not getting dat again. i don't know when west indian cricketers developed this allergy to singles. those runs accumulate.

In reply to Jumpstart

Jumpy I see you at it again what is it with you and cricketers from Barbados RTN & JHO not playing so you are finding other to pick on, if the great Sir Gary was playing in this era you would have a grievance with him. I would really like to have a sit down discussion about cricket with you because you cricket knowledge & analysis is not bad but my God insularity really clouds you judgement.
[b]If I were Sammy, I’d start the ball rolling for the next tour by eating humble pie and inviting Darren Bravo, a batsman clearly of international standard back to play in the WI test side. I would also invite Joshua Da Silva who was the second highest run scorer and Imlach, who was fourth in the 4-day tournament to the line up[i][/b][/i]
1. You are advocating Sammy should give up plans after 2 test matches against the number 1 test team
2. Are you aware the Aussie bowling attack has played over 300 test matches and taken over 1500 test wickets
3. The 2 test were played on pitches which were not up to test match cricket standards
4. We had some unfortunate decisions in the first test.
Inviting Darren Bravo, a batsman clearly of international standard
Darren Bravo hasn’t played a test in five year, hasn’t played international cricket for at least 3 years are you sure he even knows which end of the bat to hold, you are inviting him back to do what exactly?
Imlach is already in the squad
Joshua Da Silva who was the second highest run scorer.
Do you really rate our domestic cricket you didn’t before or you rate when it suits you. In that case what about Jason Mohammed.
J DaSilva avg 25 in test, he has serious flaws in technique which are well documented. However you seem able to point out Hope’s flaws and discard his.
The best players are always the ones not playing do anyone really think that the Athanazes or the Hodges of this world were going to do any better against that bowling attack on those pitches. Our cricket is in a bad state and your insularity by isn’t helping.

In reply to Leggully

And? that means he cannot come back? Bravo is playing for tkr this cpl, maybe that is a sign he's interested in cricket again. And yes, i am picking on Barbados cricketers. Why? because they are not good, in any form of the game? Even in t20 cricket which you guys have no respect for, Barbados players outside of shai hope are consistently ignored? You think that is by chance?

In reply to Jumpstart

Well let him come back and make a claim before you usher him in, I haveno issues with Bravo as a cricketer I just think he is big headed and ruin his own career, he could have and would have been WI captain had not been for his ego.
Our cricket is not good regardless of the country in the Caribbean, most of test batsmen av 25- 30, bowlers not much better, can't find a decent spinner in the WI and the fast bowlers can't bowl 4 out of 6 balls in the same area.
Man from JA say King is the best batsman man from T&T want DaSiva Man from Barbados Say Hope is the best. We should just rally

In reply to Leggully

Bajans always say that to excuse the precipitous decline of their national sport. Since the creation of the IPL, 8 trinidadians have played in the IPL, 8 Guyanese have played in the IPL as well 5 Jamaicans have played. All of them have lasted more than a season in the IPL. Barbados has had 7 ipl players and only one was a consistent pick for his franchise: Dwayne Smith. One bajan cricketer has won an IPL and even he, the great RTN was peripheral to his team’s success. As far as I remember, the bulk of the teams that won the t20 World Cups weren’t bajan and that is recent history. Your cricket is trash, but it does not mean everyone’s cricket is trash. Right now Darren Bravo averages more than every bajan batsman that debuted since Desmond Haynes

Barvo should be the captain of the test team

he is better than anyone in the present set up