Totally agree with Sammy we need to....

Improve the pitches throughout the region which are generally poor....we cannot expect to produce top class batsman if they haven't learnt the art of batsmanship by accumulating big scores on good pitches which allows you to spend time at the crease an get runs under yuh belt an hence makes you mentally better prepared for test cricket.....better batsmen around the world would also struggle on the pitches in caribbean the difference is because they've learned the art of batsmanship on better pitches they would adapt better.

In reply to CCW

Did he also mention the need for a qualified coach?

Agree
So if the matter is structural
Why change the coach and selection process which is operational ?

In reply to allan

Unnuh cut di crap, traditionally there was just one batting paradise in The Caribbean, Bourda. QPO was low and assisted spin. Kensington was lighting fast and 'Bina was fast with no guarantee of even bounce. Only until ARG then Viv's stadium was there more than one batsman friendly pitch. Rowe credits his QPO tom as his best because of the challenging pitch and experts regard Sobers' ;68 Sabina ton as a work of art and genius because the pitch was a minefield.

How about the fraudster start picking people who demonstrated that they could score runs on these kind of pitches?

The pitches will never get better... if you are good enough you will learn to adapt and score runs. Most in the current XI don't play FC cricket so they don't know how to fight and put a price on their wicket.

A true professional should be able to bat on any pitch.

It is like a carpenter saying I can't put a nail in a piece of wood straight cause the hammer is no good.

In reply to Brerzerk

Blame the pitches for the lack of skill. WOW! I agree that these fools pretending to be batsmen are spoiled and cannot adapt. What I see is a bunch of people who learned cricket in a test tube and were never prepared for life outside of that.

I learned to play cricket on cart roads, the beach, in the yard, on pastures with rocks all over the place. Without pads or helmets and improvised bats, some times made out of coconut tree branches.

It seems like all the natural elements that we utilized to make our cricket different from all others have fallen by the wayside.

Like you said Brerzerk,



Back in the day every pitch in the West Indies was different yet we reeled of great batsmen and great bowlers.
All with the ability to adjust to their surroundings. India was dusty and slow, yet Weekes scored and scored there.
The same for Sobers, RK, CL and bore them the 3Ws, Joe Soloman etc. I am sure all played cricket where ever they could find a game going on.

Now all these folks play on is prepared wickets or practice wickets and they are still atrocious.

Please stop with this blaming the wicket stuff and hopefully really prepare the coming youths learn the West Indian way.

In reply to Brerzerk

I agree to a point ...but yuh need good pitches to be able to accumulate big runs an hence gain confidence at least then you are better prepared fuh the poor tracks but ours got nothing to fall back on cause they've achieved nothing in FC or test cricket with the moderate exception of KB who has totally lost confidence....even a great like Steve Smith explained how he had to change his technique to adapt to the pitch....he could only do that because of his class an wealth of experience with an ave of 57 an 36 tons behind him...what do our guys have??

In reply to CCW

They have been saying this for decades! Thats not the over riding problem. WI batsmen do NOT put a prize on their wicket, period. Why are other teams successful here while we succumb to any and every bowling attack? Pure bullshyte nonsense.

In reply to CCW

An incident on the fourth day pretty well sums up West Indies' batting woes. A stray dog wandered onto the field and briefly held up play. Upon resumption of play, West Indies immediately lost a wicket and slumped to 37 for 4. Andrew Mason quipped, "And it looks like the West Indies batting has gone to the dogs."

In reply to buds

Don't you think yuh would put more a prize on yuh wicket if yuh was use to scoring heavily in domestic cricket cause success breeds success for eg if yuh scored consecutive 100's wouldn't you want 3 straight?? ....but if ur accustom to settling fuh mediocrity then that will be the limit of ur ambitions.....on the other hand which is more possible some of dem just going thru the motions thinking there is no value in donning the maroon cap an playing to empty stands at home whilst secretly hoping an praying for an IPL / franchise league contract to get them to hell outta there!!

Have limited myself only to watching the WI in the field as that is the only show of Pride and Focus. Think we have put together a pretty good group of young pacers.

Have focused more on watching the U19, U17 and U15 players. While they are a few with talent there are still the lack of wanting to stay at the wicket for a long period of time. The art of beating the field and doing it over and over is still lacking on the players coming. Again it seems like the tail end batsmen hold out much longer than the top line young bats.

Doesn't seem like the coaches are getting thru to most of them about the value of their wickets.

In reply to CCW



Here is something that is baffling. Batsmen from other teams continually try to make adjustments in an effort to get better. Meanwhile, our batsmen keep getting out the same way match after match yet refuse to try and make any adjustments to their game.

In reply to CCW

Did he also mentioned that opposition does better on the same pitches,,, with bat & ball.

In reply to Cricket_101

well of course they (OZ) would perform better because they are simply better players...dis is not rocket science!....how many of Windies players would get into OZ team?...name just one ...who???

In reply to CCW

we had poor quality pitches with gayle sarwan and co they all finished with averages above 40. bravo averaged above 40 until the dunn's river idiot intervened. when you reward constant and perpetual mediocrity, this is the result

In reply to Jumpstart
...an do the present bunch really want to be there or just going through the motions until an IPL or other franchise cricket contract comes their way then they can thank WICB fuh helping them along the way an say bye bye....of course this doesn't apply to somebody like KB who is totally boxed- in with nowhere else to go!!!

In reply to seaegg99

Because, in my opinion, by then it's too late. 20 years ago I saw a 7 or 8 year old batting, having been coached by his father, play the most exquisite drives. He chose another path to cricket. I say that, to say this, we need to have a competition for the u10.


And I add the yute was of Chinese ethnicity.

In reply to CCW


yes i agree totally. many of these dudes have little employment opportunities outside the test game. and cwi through its actions with gayle, sarwan bravo and co already gave the impression of a hostile stance towards the t20 leagues like the ipl. the current admin is not like that but the damage has already been done in that regard. why do you think pooran wanted nothing to do with a red ball contract...because the start of his career coincided with the aftermath of the public destruction of Sarwan and Dwayne Bravo's careers as test cricketers and the exile of chris gayle. these schisms all occurred in a very public manner so of course people like him, hetmeyer and others would view the admistration of 4 day and test cricket with suspicious eyes. We are extremely fortunate to have a dude like brandon king in our ranks. he could have taken a pure t20 route and made a lot of money. too bad he has many passengers around him

In reply to CCW



Shamar and Seales..

In reply to Cricket_101

In place of who??

In reply to Cricket_101

Starc 395 wkts...ave 27.99
Cummins 307..... ave 22.16
Hazelwood..292...ave 24.32

both Seales & Shamar both have potential to be greats but are not in that category yet...dnt fool yuh self!!

In reply to Cricket_101

Mad puss piss deh bout.

In reply to buds

I keep repeating Viv after playing his last match in the region.
He said our batsman seem to be a group of survivors, that saying was in a match UOWI X1 vs South Africa.
Ryan Hinds and Deo was part of the playing squad.