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In reply to Curtis

I got a call from someone who is a huge Lara fan yesterday who said the same thing. And I don't think Sir Garry had any hard feelings after his record was broken either ...

By the way, Lara thinks Jaiswal is the current player most likely to break his record.

In reply to Curtis

In reply to Walco

Lara wrong.

That would be Gill

In reply to imusic

I suspect the thinking behind Jaiswal over Gill is that Jaiswal scores faster. I think Gill is a strong candidate as well. IIRC Lara's strike rate for the 400 was around 70.

In reply to Walco

Mulder’s was around 90 something right?

Remarkable

In reply to Walco

I think Lara had predicted that either one of Gayle or Sehwag would break 400 record.

Both got to triples but couldn't carry on.

Of this generation of batters I would have Harry Brook at the top of the pile. The only problem is that Stokes and Baz might declare on him since they don't fcuk around - team over individual.

In reply to imusic

I just checked and Mulder's strike rate was 109 Dat man was playing ODI cricket in a test match.

When did Mulder become a batsman? I always thought he was a bowling allrounder, but he batted at #3 in this match

In reply to Walco

When he faced Zimbabwe bowlers on a flat pitch.

In reply to Walco

Actually he batted at # 3 in the world Test championship final against Australia.

In reply to Walco

Actually, in an interview with Shaun Pollock, Mulder said he went to England and worked out some kinks in his batting. Guess it paid off!

In reply to Walco

jaiswal is a better batsman than gill from a technical standpoint. he can succeed of tough wickets. Gill, firstly, is not a big mover of his feet and that will limit you in test cricket all the time. we saw how that was exploited both during the visit of new zealand last year and australia tour. if he's presented with a flat wicket and mediocre bowling like this series, sure, its possible, but the big countries like nz, south africa and australia will present a totally different challenge

In reply to Walco

Jeezas!

But it again provides more evidence of how much the game is changing, and has already changed.

So many people are mired in a paradigm regarding how test match cricket should be played that has long since passed.

The PACE of test match cricket has quickened considerably. And it’s for the better. Attrition cricket is now for the rare occasion only when conditions merit it. Emphasis on scoring, and scoring quickly at that is now the norm.

Which is why I endorse Sammy’s approach to selection for test cricket. If we’re not the last team to adopt white ball cricketers into the test match team, we’re one of the last.

Going back to Mulder’s innings……the remarkable part of it is that he kept that strike rate up for the duration. Well done!

Lara was not capt when he broke the 365 record. The capt., team, whole WI and cricketing world was happy to see him break it. Once apparent he would Sobers was flown to Antigua to share the moment. Don't forget he walked out to hug the prince.

In reply to imusic

not sure about that. zim is a glorified first class team. when lara made 501, his his SR was 117. but you could be correct.

In reply to Jumpstart

England’s run rate in the 1st test against India was just under 5 RPO in both innings.

I know you not suggesting that India is a glorified first class team. Or even that they playing on roads in England.

In reply to SnoopDog
I forgot about Harry Brook. He's another candidate

In reply to imusic

they are playing on roads in england....against a mediocre bowling attack to boot. England's philosophy since the 2023 ashes are to prepare flat, fasts wickets, as explained by Ben Stokes. this is the same team that was whitewashed last year at home by nz for the first time in 24 years, and then again struggled in australia, with only jaiswal and bumrah making solid accounts of themselves(prior to this tour, gill was averaging under 40 and scoring only 93 runs in 5 innings)

In reply to imusic

I welcome the transformation of test cricket. I have never been a believer in attrition cricket. Too boring and it seldom works on challenging surfaces or conditions.

In reply to Brerzerk

Matt Hayden did not want to beat the Don's score either with his triple

The Truth is the reverence that Mulder felt about Lara's record, Lara did not feel that same reverence towards Sir Gary's, in a meaningless match

In reply to DirtyDan

Records are made to be broken. I think the cricketing world felt the time was ripe for that world record to be broken. Different situation (national) reply Hayden/Bradman.

In reply to NYCGURU

Thanks. I was not aware of that. Interestingly Sobers was a bowling allrounder before his first century, which was 365*

In reply to Brerzerk

If I was Lara and my captain tried to declare when I had a chance for a world record, the captain would have had to come on the field and drag me off. By the way, I know that the the captain decides when to declare, but don't the players in the middle have to inform the umpires of the declaration?

In reply to Brerzerk

Arguably, Lara would have come across as a humble saint and hero if he tied the 365 and retired.

In reply to Jumpstart

Dude, STFU
Are you saying an athlete cannot work on his flaws?
Dude, get out of T&T.
You're stuck watching your homies play club white-ball cricket.

In reply to Curtis

Nobody spoke to your central point head on. Predictably tits jumpstart and musician side step your posit. The rest appear to be drones and enablers of the tits.

Your query remains unanswered. Why didn't Lara not stop short of Sir Gary's record for reasons similar to Mulder's for not breaking his.

yardies say the world nuh level

In reply to openning

of course he can. he has not. and he has not had to do that in england because that aspect of his game has not been tested

In reply to Castled

records are meant to be broken. lara's legacy would have diminished if wiaan had made an attempt at the record and succeeded. the man is the author of 4 or 5 of the top 20 innings of all time(not according to me, check Masterly Batting, Top 50 test performances by espn cricinfo and the Wisden 100 best innings, none of his contemporaries have any on that cricinfo list:not tendulkar, kallis, sanga, dravid, inzimam).

In reply to Walco

Can you imagine having a child and thinking he/she is perfect and blaming others when that child gets into trouble?
That the prof when defending BCL.
Records are there to be broken, I don't care who breaks them.
BCL has no control over who should break his records.

In reply to Jumpstart

But Jumpy, all triple centuries have been scored on roads, no?

In reply to Walco

barry richards didn't score a triple century against Dennis Lillee at the WACA? The WACA is/was a road?

In reply to Castled

Castled are you saying I didn't provide any clear answers? Are answers enablers?

In reply to Jumpstart

Any wicket can be a road based on how it's prepared. But you get my point. Doubles and triples are rarely scored on difficult pitches or in difficult conditions.

In reply to Walco

Dude Brian Lara scored a double century at the Wanderers, one of the grounds that inspired the creation of helmets. The wicket Lara scored the 213 on, Sabina Park, Australia only scored 256 in their first innings, and they scored even less on the second turn, making only 177. Graeme smith scored 259 on the same wicket that makhaya ntini had cleaned up england for 177. that's not correct. Its not a road because someone has mastered the conditions. Steve waugh up to now says that kensington oval in 1999 was a road, despite the fact that of both completed 2nd innings, Lara was the only man to score above 40 and Australia weren't even trying to score quickly in the second innings of that test when they got cleaned up by walsh for 146...in fact their scoring rate was less than 3 runs per over. As i said, just because one man has mastered the conditions does not mean the wicket is flat or favors batting

In reply to Jumpstart

How does all of what you just said detract from my original statement?

In reply to Walco

i was responding to this statement genius

In reply to Walco

just admit when you've lost nah.....or go and do an ounce of research before you make sweeping statements

In reply to imusic

109

In reply to Jumpstart

Here I was thinking I was engaged in polite conversation with an adult, only to find out I was in a win-loss competition with someone with the emotional maturity of child. By the way, I was at the Wanderers in 2023 and witnessed in person more than 500 runs scored in a T20I. And 600+ has been scored at that venue in test matches on multiple occasions, all of which reinforces the point that any wicket can be prepared as a road. You point to exceptions where batsmen may have scored heavily in difficult conditions as if that is the rule

In reply to Walco

Ha. As if people prepare bowling wickets for t20s. The last ground that did that, , BCL academy, was roundly criticized for preparing a bowler’s wicket for the Wt20 semis. Come on chief, let’s be real. A test wanderers pitch and a t20 wanderers pitch clearly are not the same. the last wanderers pitch where india and SA played a test, nobody got above 250. South africa got 561 in that wanderers test in 2003....and then you look at the WI bowling attack, exclusive of fidel edwards who was injured early in the SA innings: colleymore, drakes, ganga, sarwan, wavell hinds and merv dillon. Take lara's 202 out of the WI total and the west indies only make 208. clearly it WAS NOT a batting wicket. one of the bowling attacks was rubbish and one man from the opposition mastered the conditions. The attack for WI for that series was so poor, they only once conceded less than 300 and that was because SA were setting a target and they declared at 264-4. twice they conceded more than 500 and twice they conceded more than 600.

Who won the match?

In reply to Curtis
Damn rubbish - records are there to be broken. Ask Usain.
Pass 400* if yuh can. No one has got there and we will never know if the Saffie would have reached it. 67 is a long way from a ton.

last time I checked Sobers broke somebody record

In reply to methodic

You studying these clowns?
If everybody did that no one would have crossed 1 run in the history of cricket!!

In reply to Curtis

Why should he...

Look! Just be thankful BCL still has that record intact and on WI side. Mulder is at peace with the decision he made. Much respect to him.

To think that an Afrikaaner, given SA's history vis-a-vis black people, would hold as sacrosanct a record held by a man of black descent is beyond remarkable. A considerable number of his Afrikaaner countrymen are quite dumbfounded.

Sobers did not hesitate to break Hutton's record, nor did Hayden hesitate to break Lara's record.