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If a wide is an illegal delivery...

voiceofreason 7/11/25, 4:05:24 AM
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...Why should one be legally stumped off such a delivery?
ducks 7/11/25, 4:46:58 AM
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In reply to voiceofreason

Because the law says so
Halliwell 7/11/25, 6:49:01 AM
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In reply to voiceofreason

Ent you can still out on a so called Free Hit?
KTom 7/11/25, 9:59:37 AM
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In reply to voiceofreason

A better question would be - why can one be stumped off a wide but not a no-ball? It's important to emphasise stumped as opposed to run out, because the batsman, sorry, batter, is not aiming in this scenario to score runs, in which case, of course, the dismissal by run out would equally apply.
Halliwell 7/11/25, 2:10:30 PM
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You can be stumped off a wide until it is so wide that it landed off the pitch and became a no ball then you can’t be stumped, irregardless lol of how agile and acrobatic the keeper might be.
voiceofreason 7/11/25, 2:22:39 PM
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In reply to ducks

Well in all due respect to the Law it is fLAWed.
WI_cricfan 7/11/25, 2:45:19 PM
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If a coach has no coaching certificate why should be allowed to coach?
Da-Vincy 7/11/25, 2:59:23 PM
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If a coach has no coaching certificate why should be allowed to coach?

If a farmer has no farming certificate, why should he be allowed to farm?
Halliwell 7/11/25, 3:08:06 PM
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Farmers are self employed
Da-Vincy 7/11/25, 3:25:24 PM
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In reply to Halliwell
You either joking or ignorant. Hopefully the former.
Speed100 7/11/25, 3:37:31 PM
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Already penalized an extra run.
voiceofreason 7/11/25, 3:44:28 PM
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A young man with a Bachelors degree in Finance comes back and gets a job at a bank only to be supervised and taught by a senior bank employee who has no bachelor degrees.
Halliwell 7/11/25, 3:50:32 PM
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The latter is more likely
WI_cricfan 7/11/25, 4:31:41 PM
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But this thread is about cricket right?
conman 7/11/25, 5:40:52 PM
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In reply to voiceofreason

...Why should one be legally stumped off such a delivery?


Would give batsmen too much
All they gotta see is a ball on leg and they would know they free to chance advancing down the wicket
Brerzerk 7/11/25, 6:38:16 PM
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In reply to Halliwell

No, you cannot be out on a free hit unless you are runout.
StumpCam 7/11/25, 7:01:03 PM
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In reply to voiceofreason

Because it’s a similar situation to being run out off a no ball! You/team has already been credited with an extra run, but that’s is not enough, you want more freely???
Maispwi 7/12/25, 1:21:21 AM
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Because a wide does not mean that the ball is dead, and batsmen can be dismissed once the ball is not dead.

The apparent anomaly has been exaggerated by the artificial definition of a wide in white ball cricket where a ball an inch outside the legside is deemed to be a wide.
voiceofreason 7/12/25, 1:35:37 AM
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In reply to Maispwi
So why has the play not ended on the wide decision where a run is a given?

This encourages bowlers to bowl wide/negative length to force batsmen to over balance for the stumping.
Maispwi 7/12/25, 3:47:23 AM
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In reply to voiceofreason

The dead ball law would need to be changed so that the ball becomes dead at the call of an illegal delivery.

It would therefore mean that the batting side would not be able to benefit from any additional runs or extras that were available . That would mean that batters would not be able to hit no balls and keepers and fielders wouldn't have to worry about diving or chasing to prevent extras off of such deliveries.