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Air India Flight 171 crash

Ayenmol 7/12/25, 5:31:06 PM
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More news coming out....raises questions

Just seconds after take-off, both of the 12-year-old Boeing 787 Dreamliner's fuel-control switches abruptly moved to the "cut-off" position, starving the engines of fuel and triggering total power loss. Switching to "cut-off" is a move typically done only after landing.


This little tidbit also interesting:
They also say this underscores the need for cockpit video recorders, as recommended by the NTSB. An over-the-shoulder view would show whose hand was on the cut-off switch
Brerzerk 7/13/25, 12:07:55 AM
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Why didn't they say "whose hand if any?" Mechanical and or electronic equipment can fail without any human intervention occuring
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Drapsey 7/13/25, 2:46:10 AM
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In reply to Brerzerk

It's a Boeing plane, so it has to be human 'error'.
Brerzerk 7/13/25, 5:00:02 AM
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In reply to Drapsey

Especially if being flown by "Third World Pilots"
Ayenmol 7/13/25, 12:20:40 PM
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In reply to Brerzerk

You all apparently did not read the article.
granite 7/13/25, 1:46:34 PM
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In reply to Brerzerk

India has a very safe record one of the safest in the world,you are not right in calling them "third world Pilots".During WW2 Indian Pilots flew Bombers for the RAF and also coastal bombing in England against the Germans.West Indian Pilots also flew for the Brits against the Germans.There is no such thing as "third world Pilots,get it right mate,that is very insulting.
Ayenmol 7/13/25, 4:43:51 PM
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In reply to granite

When a term is put in quotation marks, it i dicates that the person is alluding to the fact that this is how others may view that which is in quotation marks....but that is not how the poster actually views them.

So he does not believe that Indians are "third world pilots".

But your point is true. Although, certain pilots may get more extensive training than others and so may get jobs while having less flight ti e or less variety of equipment knowledge.
JayMor 7/13/25, 4:49:24 PM
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In reply to Ayenmol

I was just crafting a similar response to Granite, but you beat me to it.

--Æ.
Brerzerk 7/14/25, 2:52:28 AM
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In reply to granite

Read with a quizzical eye, follow current trends then add a dose of sarcasm starting with Drapsey's post to mine. Guys don't just read, figure out how to read. Alluding to what quotation marks mean then claiming to be inside someone's head and knows they don't mean what they say is actually you being dishonest.
Brerzerk 7/14/25, 2:56:10 AM
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In reply to granite

Did you follow the western media's, government's and Boeing's responses defenses to the EthiopAirlines crash? Did you compare it to the investigations findings? Sarcasm...lowest form of wit.
embsallie 7/14/25, 3:38:36 AM
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From what I have understood, these are not electronically controlled.
These are manual switches that must be pulled up then forward to engage.
To disengage, the reverse is done: pull up, then backward.
In other words, for those who are a little dull, one just cannot push the switches forward or backward.
There is a two-step process for each action.
This indicates that it was probably human error.
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Ayenmol 7/14/25, 12:59:10 PM
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In reply to embsallie

You all really need to read the articles. Or reserve comments.
There is a question as to whether it was electronically triggered.

It says in December 2018, the US Federal Aviation Administration issued a Special Airworthiness Information Bulletin (SAIB) highlighting that some Boeing 737 fuel control switches were installed with the locking feature disengaged.
The same switch design is used in Boeing 787-8 aircraft, including Air India's VT-ANB which crashed. As the SAIB was advisory, Air India did not perform the recommended inspections.
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Ayenmol 7/14/25, 1:02:37 PM
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Question also exist as to whether thos was electronic.

But it's still just a question. Fact is, the question was posed by one pilot as to whether the other triggered the fuel shutdown.....the other said no.
I dont see a reason to lie if you are planning to end it all!
Brerzerk 7/14/25, 7:18:38 PM
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In reply to embsallie

Can one be so dull as to not understand that a manually controlled gadget can malfunction without intervention? Whether manual, mechanical, electronic or whatever can your accelerator/brake pedal, am radio knob...malfunction without you having done a thing to it? I am looking forward to, am willing (perhaps not able) to learn.
Kurt 7/17/25, 7:38:02 PM
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