Sammy is the wrong choice of coach but...

...why are the grandstanding weasely jackasses here focused on him as the reason(s) why West Indies cricket has been in decline for over 30 years?

It is a fact that if we hire the best current cricket coach in the world right now with the current state of our cricket it will not change a thing.

Do you think firing Sammy now will change the fortunes of West Indies cricket? There are debilitating systemic problems with West Indies cricket and we know this.

We are behaving like lil' boys and starting every other fucking thread about Sammy. This balderdash is never ending. ..even from posters who you think should know better.

Why don't allyuh get in in your fucking skulls that West Indies cricket is in a crisis and has been in a crisis for over30 years despite the constant changes in human resources.

The solution is not changing personnel ad nauseam but a radical shift in the way the game is played with concomitant increases in financial resource levels to administer the game on a strictly professional level.

It is intellectual fraud to focus on Sammy when we all know the real reasons for our cricket being in the doldrums.

Do we care about facts; do we care about intelligence or just come here to beat our asses uselessly?

Time to stop this tawdry behaviour.

In reply to Courtesy

A reality base opinion, no coach will vastly improve the WI performance in international cricket at the moment, although Sammy was able to get the more exposed international players to play Test cricket, it did not improve the results as other deficiencies turned up as most of those players forgot how to be close to the wicket catchers. Sammy should be given more time, because the just completed series was against the best cricket team at the moment, so it might not be a fair way to judge how bad the team is. They might sweep Pakistan in the upcoming series.

In reply to dayne

Sammy is the consequence of the problem and not the real problem. The constant focus on Sammy or any other coach will not solve our endemic cricket problems.

The solution is to have a professional approach to our cricket. It starts with producing technically sound cricketers.

In reply to Courtesy

I agree with the premise of your post. It requires patience to undergo a transformation. One series will not magically reverse a 39 year decline. Proven systems have to be implemented and given time to see incremental progress.
On a related note about coaches of West Indian pedigree, there was a discussion on the commentary panel between Daren Ganga and Brad Haddin. Ganga made a point about other countries retired players share their expertise after their playing days are over, whereas West Indians typically do not. Haddin immediately countered by indicating that South Australia has won the FC, LO & T20 Championships and Carl Hooper was part of the coaching staff.
So, you can make of that what you want!

In reply to Courtesy

You are always the voice of reason . We live in a blame culture and since they can't blame all of the players no matter how much we shuffle the deck or are willing to admit that our talent does not measure up to International standards, Sammy will have to be the fall guy and take one for the region. We all know that life is not always fair but he has the title and this is what comes with it.

In reply to StumpCam



Well reasoned!!.

It's time for us to starve the meat of ignorance with the meat of informed debate leaving behind the finger pointing of coaches and generally burying our heads in the sand and embrace a new era of informed debate.

In reply to NYCGURU

Simply put...we have to embrace truth about our cricket and pursue a reasoned path which will lead to a change of fortunes for West Indies cricket.

This crabs in a barrel approach will get us nowhere and in fact, has gotten us nowhere.

In reply to Courtesy

For once I agree with you that sacking Sammy won fix the ills that affect our cricket.

My question to you is this,why was he appointed in the first place

In reply to ponderiver





Don't you think that your question is ill-directed?

In reply to Courtesy

Only peeps as illustrious as your learned self could answer that

In reply to ponderiver

You are giving me way more credit than I deserve.

In reply to Courtesy

Oh I'll say it is richly deserved ,tek yuh time mi boss

In reply to ponderiver

We have diverging views on this issue...let's agree to disagree.

Sammy is a symptom of the issues of west indies his appointment as coach lacked transparecy or any type of sence but smacked full of insularity given the recent comments by the president of the board.while i agree dropping him will not make the windies better
Because this current some of tbese players have alteady reached their ceiling talent wise and ingrained bad habits are harder to fix in your thirties and late twenties .time to look at younger players

if they lose to pakistan you cant justify him as coach and adding to the fact his "vision" for the wi team have not paid off of a new brand of cricket has not worked .making chase test captain bringing back hope into test cricket making him t20 captain .

In reply to Courtesy

On the whole I'm in agreement....but after losing both the tests an t20's combined by an 8-0 margin including a historic an humiliating 27 all out dnt you think if this had happened to one of the bigger teams they also would be seriously considering firing the head coach??....we live in an era of accountability an even though it might have been the same result under a different/ superior coach there comes a time when as the English would say you have to fall on yuh sword....assuming of course you have any semblance of dignity....better to go on our own terms in a dignified way rather than hanging on to the bitter end only to eventually be carted off kicking an screaming!!

In reply to Courtesy


windward islands reps and members should be debarred from any cricketing decisions until they produce a cricketer who can play 50 test matches. the windward islands section of the Combined Islands program has been an abysmal failure. clearly allyuh have no idea what you're doing

In reply to Jumpstart

You are one sick motherfucker.

In reply to velo

I do not agree to the theory that coaches don't make difference.....in all professional sports..... specially team sports....head coaches bring his team of staff.... Draw huge salary..... answerable for failures... accolades for success.... Fletcher-Hussain....Sourav-Wright, changed the mindset.....
As for Sammy......His appointment was absolutely bad....devoid of any transparent process......given exceptional and absolutely powers.... selector cum coach....

Appointed Jan 2023.......we are in July 2025....Results are worsening....

Should be sacked.....A transparent method for appointment, with proper batting and bowling coach...be appointed... this may be short term changes but absolutely required...

As for lack of talents in cricket West Indies.....players like Jofras,Bethells become big....the moment they given adequate training and facilities....Our cupboard never empty...

In reply to Courtesy

i am right though.....your program has been abysmal. clearly the windwards only know about is piss poor corporate governance(sammy's ascension as captain from fringe test, odi and t20 player to all format captain came under a board headed by windward dotties and ditto with his ascension as all format coach)..........or worse

Understanding Systemic Institutional Devolution
a. The SCOTUS awarding Roger Stone's thuggery and Bush's thievery led to Trump 16 yrs later.

b.CWI foisting the undeserving Sammy on us as cappo in 2009 has led to Sammy The Head Coach/ Sole Selector.

There's a reason institutions have rules, laws, norms, limits on power along with the need for ethical, moral-driven leaders!

In reply to Brerzerk


exactly

My lede says it all but some persons like to marinate in obfuscation and jacakassery. Let me repeat the lede: "Sammy is the wrong choice of coach..."

There are persons here who are totally happy with ignorance.

In reply to Courtesy

Well said, I could not have said it better.

In reply to tc1

Cheers. This should be obvious to anyone with critical thought and yet persons profit the opportunity to promote their own narrow agendas.

In reply to Courtesy

critical thought and windward islanders cricket doh belong in the same sentence