Sammy is the wrong choice of coach but...

The entire system must be overhauled to raise elite cricketers from age 10. Fundamentals must be drilled into cricketers during their teens. Prepare them to deal with the high level of skills required. Get them into long first class cricket tours around the world.

This is a 10 year project. Step away from Test and ODI cricket for 5 years. It is a distraction of failure. Organize 4 day red ball tours under West Indies B.

In reply to WIForever

Solid!!

If only the powers that be could get off their ivory towers.

In reply to Courtesy

The lead statement came with qualification, backhanded excuse if you will. The 30yr decline and reasons are well known and have been thoroughly discussed here time and again.
That this tenure...Sammyesque coincides with record breaking, rock bottom decline deserves a stand alone discussion without any buts, it's or maybe. Tom Drunk But Tom Nuh Fool-fool. All here ha' 5 sense.

To fund us during that time. Caricom members annual contributions through taxes to fund all grass roots cricket, infrastructure and employment across the region. Setup a Saving West Indies cricket fund for corporates and individuals. Let's see how many who cuss on social media can put their money where their mouths are. An independent body will decide how the money is distributed with CWI serving as management and admin.

Plus we get ICC funds as a full member. I am sure something can be negotiated with the ICC to keep us in as a full member.

In reply to Courtesy

Look, it just seems awfully fishy that we playing musical chairs with skippers and coaches long time and as soon as Sammy reach position we ‘find religion’, and say ‘anybody’ will fail in this position, so keep him.

That’s all people saying.

In reply to Brerzerk

And you chose to highlight the segments of what you call "the Systemic Institutional Devolution" where Saint Lucians are involved?

The other majority aspects of the "devolution" mean absolutely nothing to you or are insignificant in the overall scheme of things.

Quite frankly, you don't have to be so aposematic. You don't have to play the politics of our cricket on the basis of assymetry.

In reply to Halliwell

So all you glean from my posts is that Sammy must be kept as coach in light of my statement that "Sammy is the wrong choice of coach."

In reply to WIForever

Sure. 10 year project. Everyone realizes there are major issues with WI cricket that no one person can resolve.

That said….West Indies cricket IS in the results business. That’s an inescapable fact.

To be clear, are you advocating that whoever the head coach is, be afforded 10 years to “complete the project”?

It was CWI that came out publicly and established a particular “strict” criteria for head coach selection.

They then promptly appointed someone who had few, if any of the same criterion they claimed was required for the position.

They then tripled down on that by appointing this person all format head coach. Certainly not based on white ball results. In addition, that person was also appointed chief selector.

So they’ve appointed a cricketing monarch. One who undoubtedly, had the West Indies cricket team had even a modicum of success, would have been hailed as the saviour of WI cricket, among other platitudes.

And now CWI has the gall to be surprised when, after the results of the team, criticism comes the way of the monarch, claiming said criticism is only because he’s St Lucian and from a small island?

And there are those who pretend to be “reasonable” by saying the problems with WI cricket run deeper and aren’t the fault of the head coach.

Who knew? Tell us something we don’t all know. But the same head coach / monarch would readily claim the credit if the team was even a little successful.

He was given the appointment. He happily accepted. Reap whatever comes along with it. Good and bad.

In reply to imusic

Will there be need for a head coach of West Indies if you step away from cricket as WIForever advocated for 5 years?

Why do we keep thinking with our bottoms and making asses of ourselves?

In reply to Courtesy


Only you would refer to yourself in the plural.

Carry on

In reply to Courtesy

This is WI cricket it is a part of me. Maaan F%$# The Jamaican, Lucian, Bajanstuff! I'm aA Caribbean man who's hurting at what I see. That accusation is as vacuous yet as shallow as Shallow himself. There's one thing support Sammy on i.e. aiming to get who he believes are the best players playing together as much as possible and across formats where the skills mesh. But, didn't a main part of the devolution start with the regime that "rooted" out the best players? (OH there I go again!) Courtie, objectively solutions do begin with
a. 10yr plan
b.U10 up and academies
c. A leadership that has modern HR policies at the forefront
d. Inculcation of discipline (both players/mgt/ admin) with a clearly defined process no ambiguities. e.g.even b4 opening his mouth re Gibson Gayle would know what consequences would be. Rousseau shouldn't have to ask Cameron if contrary to policy uo to the was he being paid AS CWI PREZ.
I'll add more

In reply to imusic



Now focus on less mundane matters...answer my damn question.

In reply to Brerzerk

How did you get there? You have started to day dream again.

Let us not suffer from the Sammy Acute Derangement Syndrome (the SADS). This team was losing consistently long before Sammy, including to teams like Scotland and Netherlands. Sammy could not be expected to turn around 15 years of losing in one year with the same players playing.

In reply to PalsofMine

Sammy accepted a poisoned chalice and he should have been discerning enough not to accept it. Now having accepted the job; proceeded to make wholesome changes in a scenario where there is a dearth of talented professional cricketers and to fail miserably he should accept the calls for his resignation.

I for one would not have waited for any resignation..."Sammy yo are fired."

In reply to Courtesy

that sammy's fault and a pellucidly clear insight into a man without an iota of modesty. that such a limited cricketer and coach can reach so high in WI cricket means the joke is on us not him

In reply to PalsofMine

Wrong.

Under Sammy or as some would prefer, coincidental and parallel to the Sammy tenure, things have actually gotten worse.

Also, he has different players.

In all fairness, you cannot fire a man after one series. At least he had the balls to try something different in the test team. It turned out to be same shit, different day but at least he tried. the question must be do we have the ingredients to ever get a different result than regular cutarses from everyone. I think that the past few years have shown that we do not. Therefore to put all the blame on Sammy is not fair. The fix, I think, has to start from regional level at least or possibly lower. The Headley Weekes concept of the best playing the best was a good idea that was dropped. To have the better players only playing the sub par regional players over and over again will not improve the better players. We need a stronger regional competition together with a vibrant A team schedule to try to bring our better players as close to international standard as possible. We need that much more than playing several mindless white ball tours in the middle of our FC and other regional seasons. Without a good red ball background, none of those players are going to be of international white ball standard as we have seen from this latest debacle.

In reply to Brerzerk



who is gonna pay for this shit?????

In reply to rudebway

CWI has a marketing arm. Even damaged goods can attract Lil value we hope

Go back to basics first - as an example send A teams on tours to England pre season County to engage County teams (I do believe this was done in the past)or Invite one of UK OZ or SA 'county' to compete in 3 game series' yearly. Things like preparing permanent real spin wickets at 2 stadiums at least , 2 grassy ones at other sites and scheduling pink ball night games at opportune times prior to Tests can help. Just to name a few ideas.

In reply to Brerzerk

But is it a good marketing team?

In reply to Brerzerk

reading this thread, separate and apart from the pseudo intellectual ramblings to deflect/defend Sammy, these structural and institutional changes talked about will need government buy in and fiscal support. Maybe i am just a pessimist that has given up.

In reply to Courtesy


windward islands reps and members should be debarred from any cricketing decisions until they produce a cricketer who can play 50 test matches. the windward islands section of the Combined Islands program has been an abysmal failure. clearly allyuh have no idea what you're doing
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of all the territories in the West Indies, allyuh is the set should go it alone. always want leadership and your cricketing program could be eclipsed by that of Thailand. dead weight

In reply to imusic



Greenidge hook......ball sailing....