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Time to end the Sammy experiment

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Windiesfan78 8/1/25, 4:13:35 AM
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It is time to put an end to Sammy's time as coach. You were a good captain, however, this role is not for you.
Jumpstart 8/1/25, 4:16:11 AM
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experiment should have ended after 27 all out
methodic 8/1/25, 4:18:04 AM
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It is trending that way
Windiesfan78 8/1/25, 4:18:37 AM
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That is correct sir! We have gone backwards and CWI doesn't want to admit it
imusic 8/1/25, 4:21:23 AM
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Can’t dispute it.

But losing King, Hetmeyer, Powell, and Lewis simply exacerbates an already toxic situation.
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methodic 8/1/25, 4:21:27 AM
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And going further backwards
Windiesfan78 8/1/25, 4:23:58 AM
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I mean, look at the team selection, it certainly doesn't fill you with confidence. Chasing or setting a score, this team simply isn't good enough. PLEASE, I BEG OF YOU, put an end to this rot.
JOJO 8/1/25, 4:26:23 AM
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put an end to this rot.
big grin

I just love the sense of eternal hope!
Windiesfan78 8/1/25, 4:26:51 AM
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That is correct, however the result is still the same. Every team knows that we can't handle spin. Yet, what is being done to improve the situation?
InHindsight 8/1/25, 4:29:06 AM
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You're moronic to blame Sammy for this.

Your pea insular brain once again
imusic 8/1/25, 4:31:26 AM
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Every team knows that we can't handle spin. Yet, what is being done to improve the situation?

I believe CWI sent a few youngsters to India earlier this year for that specific purpose. I remember one of them, Ackeem Auguste I think, did well there.

At least that initiative has been in place. But even that will take some time to bear fruit…..as it should.

That said, you would think that the IPL batters, AT THE VERY LEAST, would have gained expertise in that area.

So far, that hasn’t materialized.

Rutherford in particular has been extremely disappointing. Something’s not quite right there.
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methodic 8/1/25, 4:33:37 AM
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Something does seem to be bothering Rutherford
methodic 8/1/25, 4:34:55 AM
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Who would you blame?
FineBajanMan 8/1/25, 4:35:05 AM
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I was wondering why Motie went before him with him being a left handed batsman
pariaman 8/1/25, 4:37:01 AM
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Yes we bad but we still not making the best decisions

Sammys gotta go immediately

We should not have batted

JC should not be playing

Opening pair was wrong

Batting order seems to have been decided by a crazy man
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imusic 8/1/25, 4:43:22 AM
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In the penultimate T20 against Oz, Rutherford and Hope had a miscommunication that almost ended in a calamitous run out.

Shai was seen on Camera bawlin at and gesticulating angrily toward Rutherford who just turned his back and walked away.

Disagreements between teammates happen all in the time in every sport. But the bawling out from Hope was very public. There’s no way that Rutherford would have known it was captured on camera, but not everyone receives that kind of outburst the same way.

Soon afterward, Hope called for a single and Rutherford didn’t even try to run. He just walked to the other end while Tim David uprooted the stumps at the non strikers end.

I don’t know if that incident had or has anything to do with Rutherford’s apparent lack of interest.

I do know in the final T20’againdt Oz, Rutherford was crestfallen at the manner of his dismissal. He just stood in the crease hunched over as he couldn’t believe he had done that.

That wasn’t the display of someone that wasn’t committed.

So who knows?
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Windiesfan78 8/1/25, 4:46:42 AM
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Check it music, a lot of these guys are what you call regional bullies. We could as well bring back Kyle Mayers into the fold. Where are our power hitters? Evin Lewis is injured, Carty was in the form of his life and got dropped. We won our last t20 World Cup in India but we had 6 hitters like Gayle, Samuels and Simmons. We also had the bowlers, Narine, Badree and Bravo. We need a quality coach with a cv as a proven winner, someone that can spot talent and nuture it
methodic 8/1/25, 4:47:03 AM
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Wel if he needs some motivation or direction he can't turn to Hope or Sammy. They are both in over their heads. At that level every decision matters
Jumpstart 8/1/25, 4:47:03 AM
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Batting order seems to have been decided by a crazy man

yuh mean sammy using horoscope to pick de side like how Ray Domonec was chosing france team in South africa during the world cup?cool
pariaman 8/1/25, 4:50:06 AM
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Sammy hit rock bottom and digging a hole now to go lower
Blackbird 8/1/25, 4:53:37 AM
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No amount of data can explain or rationale this team's approach to the game. Sammy is trying to play 1st generation T20 cricket ..... we won then but the game has moved on.

Did Sammy select this team or was the the only 11 available?
pariaman 8/1/25, 4:54:48 AM
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What a question!
Windiesfan78 8/1/25, 5:07:07 AM
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Don't be silly, I was one of the many people that believed that Sammy deserved a chance in coaching the West Indies. I have always defended Sammy on this message board and I have the utmost respect for what he achieved in leading the West Indies to 2 t20 titles. However, this is not the job for him and had he coached another international team with these results, he would already be out of a job. Your comment regarding insularity reminds me of a certain individual that said people had a problem with Sammy because he is St.Lucian.
Spare a thought for Andre Coley who took a young team to Australia and drew a series against a world class set of players. Yet, he was tossed aside for Sammy in the format. Kindly get your head out of the sand. We are sinking fast and it is time for change again. Sammy and his coaching staff aren't the solution to stem the continued failings of our storied team.
imusic 8/1/25, 5:15:12 AM
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Did Sammy select this team or was the the only 11 available?

I think the latter

He said in an interview that Lewis, King, Hetmeyer, and Powell are all out injured.

He contacted Mayers but Mayers didn’t have a visa so that’s something they’re working on

Carty and Athanaze were brought into the squad.

Not sure who else they should be trying.

Kofi James?
Kevlon Anderson?
Everton Weekes Jr? (openning will say YES)
Shaquere Parris?
Ackeem Auguste?
Johan Layne?
Micah McKenzie? (Lots of peeps calling for him)
Windiesfan78 8/1/25, 5:16:10 AM
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I'm interested in hearing more about this youngster Ackeem Auguste. By the way, what has happened to Athanaze? He is one of the most gifted batters I have seen in recent times.
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