debut: 8/30/23
426 runs
Skipper immediately.
He is in his prime. We should not loose Him .
He is in his prime. We should not loose Him .
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Holder need to be Reinstated all format
debut: 1/4/03
268,911 runs
In reply to Speed100
Holder has now reached his full potential....the early burden of captaincy stifled his development for years.
Last night he said to the effect he is now playing with an uncluttered mind
WI cappoship is a big burden....Holder is a free bird now
Holder has now reached his full potential....the early burden of captaincy stifled his development for years.
Last night he said to the effect he is now playing with an uncluttered mind
WI cappoship is a big burden....Holder is a free bird now
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debut: 11/30/17
12,686 runs
In reply to Narper
when yuh get put in positions you ought not to be, thats the result. 5 of gayle's 15 hundreds came as skipper. brian lara nearly averaged 60 as west indian skipper
Last night he said to the effect he is now playing with an uncluttered mind
WI cappoship is a big burden....Holder is a free bird now
WI cappoship is a big burden....Holder is a free bird now
when yuh get put in positions you ought not to be, thats the result. 5 of gayle's 15 hundreds came as skipper. brian lara nearly averaged 60 as west indian skipper
debut: 11/13/02
80,804 runs
In reply to Jumpstart
Some players thrive under the pressure of captaincy
Others wilt. Not everyone is the same.
Some players thrive under the pressure of captaincy
Others wilt. Not everyone is the same.
debut: 1/4/03
268,911 runs
In reply to Jumpstart
Holder was 23 yrs old...a real rookie [8 tests, 21 ODIs] and he knew he didn't earn the cappoship based on performance on de cricket field.
Lara and Gayle were more of less established international players when they got de cappoship
For you, a better example would have been Graeme Smith of RSA
Holder was 23 yrs old...a real rookie [8 tests, 21 ODIs] and he knew he didn't earn the cappoship based on performance on de cricket field.
Lara and Gayle were more of less established international players when they got de cappoship
For you, a better example would have been Graeme Smith of RSA
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debut: 2/24/07
12,371 runs
In reply to imusic
Don't take this wrong,
But you thrive on the garbage of some posters, ain't?
Don't take this wrong,
But you thrive on the garbage of some posters, ain't?
debut: 11/13/02
13,583 runs
In reply to imusic
Chanders wasn’t a good captain for some unknown reason. I say unknown reason because his leadership in the coaching role was excellent. Even Ambi brings out a different side of himself as a coach vs player.
Chanders wasn’t a good captain for some unknown reason. I say unknown reason because his leadership in the coaching role was excellent. Even Ambi brings out a different side of himself as a coach vs player.
debut: 3/29/07
25,235 runs
In reply to Raskil
And it goes back to what music said, everyone thrives differently in different roles
There are some ppl who could be a natural leader, but sometimes just a title of leadership can become a millstone around the neck of such persons.
So you watch them lead, and give someone else the title and reap the success.
It's liek ppl thinking that the great players should always become coaches.
And it goes back to what music said, everyone thrives differently in different roles
There are some ppl who could be a natural leader, but sometimes just a title of leadership can become a millstone around the neck of such persons.
So you watch them lead, and give someone else the title and reap the success.
It's liek ppl thinking that the great players should always become coaches.
debut: 11/13/02
13,583 runs
In reply to positiveg
The more important question lies in whether he was given all the tools to succeed. There was no clear path to captaincy during that period where everyone felt they had a chance at the role. Undermining was a word used a lot then. That’s history and it happened to Sarwan as well.
The more important question lies in whether he was given all the tools to succeed. There was no clear path to captaincy during that period where everyone felt they had a chance at the role. Undermining was a word used a lot then. That’s history and it happened to Sarwan as well.
debut: 1/20/04
92,307 runs
In reply to Speed100
Agreed he should be a fixture in all of our teams. Captain no.
Agreed he should be a fixture in all of our teams. Captain no.
debut: 1/20/04
92,307 runs
In reply to Raskil
Both teams have fairly new captains. You want to allow them to grow into their positions. Give them an opportunity before making major leadership changes. Holder can still lead from behind.
Both teams have fairly new captains. You want to allow them to grow into their positions. Give them an opportunity before making major leadership changes. Holder can still lead from behind.
debut: 2/22/04
8,912 runs
The issue s that Scammy has selected his the cor of his teams.
It is obvious that he does not hav Holdr in the mix for Test or ODI.
Scammy obviously believes that Greaves is ahead of Holder.
That mentality wil be the downfall of Windies.
Holder loss his pick in the test team when he pulled out through injuries.
He had an injured shoulder.
Now he is fit and stated that he is available for all formats.
It is obvious that he does not hav Holdr in the mix for Test or ODI.
Scammy obviously believes that Greaves is ahead of Holder.
That mentality wil be the downfall of Windies.
Holder loss his pick in the test team when he pulled out through injuries.
He had an injured shoulder.
Now he is fit and stated that he is available for all formats.
debut: 3/6/20
5,053 runs
The greatest all rounder since GOAT Sobers....Holder, invented and reinvented himself....test,ODI and T-20 ....
A rarity in Caribbean player...who pigeon- hole themselves....
A rarity in Caribbean player...who pigeon- hole themselves....
debut: 12/2/02
6,922 runs
In reply to Speed100
I never saw the need to drop him in any format. As a batsman he should bat in the top 6 in test cricket and only because he is an allrounder but he can go higher. I have always considered him to be a batsman first then bowler. case closed. In the other formats he can play many roles. He can be moved up or down the order. He is a complete batsman.
I never saw the need to drop him in any format. As a batsman he should bat in the top 6 in test cricket and only because he is an allrounder but he can go higher. I have always considered him to be a batsman first then bowler. case closed. In the other formats he can play many roles. He can be moved up or down the order. He is a complete batsman.
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