The story of Haydn Walsh Jr

SAD AND OH SO TYPICAL

SMH

In reply to imusic

It's sad to hear that a West Indian cricketer in this day and age says he hardly gets to play cricket.

In reply to Cuter

This is a tragic story in many ways. And there are cricketers that have been treated way worse by those in charge.

In reply to imusic

It goes back to what I posted recently.

Haydn Walsh Jr is saying the same thing

No cricket
No facilities

Our players are sitting at home waiting for the next tournament to be seen, while cricketers from India, England and Australia are playing cricket consistently.

We are in for a next 40 years of pain

I have been saying this for years, every time our players are cursed for taking the money from the T20 leagues around the world. It is not only lack of facilities but also disrespect and indifference by our governments and boards. We want and demand blood from stone. A cricketer's playing years are limited. They have families to feed and educate. They are dropped and discarded at a whim. Look at the recent case of Joshua DaSilva. Discarded for no reason other than the Supremo probably does not like him. I have heard not a word about why Kyle Mayers was just discarded. And on and on. Before facilities must come commitment and fairness from the powers that be. Finally, I will say it again and again. We demand high standards of production from cricketers but those same demands are not made of our political, business, church and community leaders.

In reply to bobby

My issues with the Administrators are simple.

When a player is dropped, what is he going back home to do?

Where are the facilities and the cricket structure to work on his game?

Where can he get time to consistently play cricket to regain his form?

Our cricket structure is designed for our cricketers to fail.

In reply to Cuter

Facts

In reply to Cuter

You’re absolutely right and I agree with you 100 percent but to play Devil’s Advocate why don’t these players invest in themselves as well to do better!!!

They’re quick to buy fancy clothes and cars which they’re well within their rights too and nothing is wrong with that but why not hire personal trainers as well or individuals to help you up your game!!!

It’s like citizens blaming the government for not helping them when they themselves just want to stay home and not work!!!

i think that as usual, neither argument is completely right nor completely wrong. Firstly, a cricketer is a professional sportsman. He should conduct himself as such. That does not mean waiting around for an employer or former employer to do things for him. If you have played a sport professionally for a number of years, you have an idea of what your training routine should be. Unless you are completely unemployable otherwise, a gym membership is not that expensive and running on the road or on the beach is pretty much free. As for getting cricket time in, at the very least, join a club (if you are not already a member of one as most players are) and turn out on the Saturday to play for them. The standard may not be as high as you need but at least you will be batting, bowling and fielding and doing some training to keep your body in cricket shape.

On the other hand, if players are contracted to WI, they should not be abandoned without communication. If a player's career is ended, he should be told that so he can plan his life. If he is still being considered but has been dropped for poor performance, injury etc, he should similarly be told so and it may well be for a combination of CWI and his regional board to provide the necessary assistance for his rehabilitation to regional/international standard. This is something that the WIPA should be addressing. But at the end of the day, it is the player's livelihood and he should bear ultimate responsibility for reaching and maintaining the requisite standard.

In reply to Cuter

Chanders made less money than current day players and still found it important to invest in himself and bought a bowling machine.

The world out there is cruel and nobody needs babysitting.

Players can work on their weaknesses, but where do they go to compete to continue this development?

In reply to natty_forever

Play Curry goat cricket with great intensity is better than sitting at home and moping....CWI believe they are doing enough....regional boards believe they are doing enough

The case of Joshua da Silva is the one that showed how true it is what Bobby is saying.
Told he needed to improve his batting, so he ended up being the second highest run scorer in our 4 day tournament, applied for the captaincy which j believe he was by far away the most qualified, lo and behold he gets dropped fully.
Absolutely shameful

In reply to WIfan26



I used to think like this in the past bro.

But when I see the level of support the other Cricket Nations provide to their players, there is only so much a player can do on his own.

In reply to Cuter

Then the question is where is WIPA while we continually raise concerns about the administration of the cricket, WIPA is supposed to support the players. What is WIPA doing to help those fringe players like Walsh Jr to get back to their best? I remember very well the Super50 of a couple years ago when Walsh was outstanding. If he had a dip in form and was dropped, does WIPA have any mechanism in place to help such players? Even if it is to get them club gigs in Barbados or Trinidad where there may be much more club cricket than in Antigua or any of the smaller islands??? We, the posters on this board, constantly give WIPA a pass. They appear to be the most invisible aspect of WI cricket.

In reply to PalsofMine

Palso, you got it right. Duj never played any pro-cricket except WI cricket. When not on tour or home series he turned out for Kingston CC and was in the covers not behind the stumps. To stay fit he played squash and worked out. May be exception to the rule but shows lots of FC cricket and top-notch facilities aren't the be-all/end-all.

In reply to PalsofMine


We all know the answer to that.

WIPA sold out to CWI (Then WICB) when Wavell Hinds colluded with Dave Cameron.

So we have “labor peace”…..at what price?

Young players should get their rasses to England in March/April and play league cricket. The standard of Premier Division and Divs 1,2 is high. Facilities are better than back home.

Stay the whole 6 months and when you go back you’ll have 30-40 games under your belt.

Teams up and down the country would welcome someone with talent.

Forget the Yorkshire, Middlesex, Kent and Surrey. We not able at the moment. Do that for 2 years then you eating dungheap cricket for breakfast when you go back home.

It’s simple. There’s cricket to be played, at level, if you don’t siddong and expect CWI to develop you.

I see Yorkshire sign Mayank Agarwal till the end of the season in the County Championship

Short term wuk, but again we had no one lined up- what about Athanaze, KC… loads of potential and will be cheaper than Agarwal?

Too busy with lickit? Well the white ball coach himself too busy with lickit.

Where are the agents and are they working for their West Indian clients?

I try to make sense out of all I heard in that interview. I get the impression that Haden believed that he was entitled to a contract. When that was not the case and he was asked to come down to sign to be eligible for the draft 5 hours before, he did not go because, how could they expect him to make decisions about his career in 5 hours? What is he doing now?

He is upset that his own Antigua did not give him a chance, and how it hurts to see others from outside coming in, while he sits. But, were we not told that the franchises are not national teams, but owned by foreigners, whose investments are, first, to make a profit, and they pick whoever they wish within the given guidelines?

He says that he sees these youngsters perform well and get contracts, and because of no facilities, next year they are not given another contract. I am puzzled by that, because where were they playing well, in the first case, to have impressed to get picked? Did those facilities just disappeared once they were contracted.

Somebody in this thread asked, "when a player get dropped, what does he do, go home?" I ask, "was a player picked for life, or was he picked to perform at a certain level?" A player knows well that his place on any team is not permanent. This talk about cricket career is short is a poor argument. If new, better players emerge, are they supposed to not get picked because some other player has an entitlement to a place until 40 years old?

I hope Mr Haden Walsh believes that he is good enough, and is motivated to work on his game to improve it, and to attract attention, in the region and outside. When you get a call to play in the Leagues in England, nobody in England owes you anything. If you play good cricket, you ill get recalled or new offers. It all depends on you, and no one else.