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@Fivestar
Yes. So Croft was well known for that delivery. Not sure the initial trajectory was towards the leg side but I understand what you are saying. But only spin, seam or swing could cause that deviation. That's why I asked if by cutters you mean when the bowler imparts spin on the ball. Malcolm Marshall bowled a leg cutter, I think, by using his fingers to impart leg spin. The story goes that he learnt it from Dennis Lillee.
@spider
But only spin, seam or swing could cause that deviation.
We are definitely on the same page. Yes, a fast bowler uses his fingers to make the ball deviate once it hits the pitch.
The only thing is fast bowlers don't like the word "spin" used to describe their bowling.They prefer to hear off cutter and leg cutter as opposed to off spin and leg spin.
Wow
Shades of conversations from 10 to 20 years ago
Wasn't there a thread about who determined the line of the ball, the batsman or the bowler ?
@spider
@Fivestar
Let's nail dis nonsense.....a ball cannot swing after pitching cos swing depends entirely on aerodynamics (when the ball is airborne an hence not touching the ground) ..once it touches the ground it cannot then swing any movement is caused entirely by seam....let dat soak!!!
@CCW
Jayden Seales bowls an away swinger that touches down around off stump. When the ball is in the air and about 10 feet from the batsman it starts to swing.
After the ball hits the turf does it suddenly stop swinging? Or does it follow its arc and force the wicketkeeper to move to his right to collect it?
What forces the wicketkeeper to move to his right? Is it because Jayden bowls an away swinger a seamer or a cutter?
@Fivestar
The ball stops swinging after pitching any movement thereafter is seam ....a cutter is something completely different whereby the ball is bowled like an off break so after pitching to a r/h batsman it will deviate from off to leg.
@CCW
Is it not airborne after hitting the pitch and before it is intercepted by the batter or the wicketkeeper?
@spider
Bro ...obviously that comes from bounce ....a ball patently cannot swing after pitching...i suggest you go research this if I'm not making sense!!!
@CCW
But why wouldn't it be able to swing if it's airborne and fulfills all the requirements for swing? So balls do deviate in the air after pitching. I'm sure it can swing but I think mostly it is due to the knuckling effect, Sometimes hitting the pitch causes it to stop spinning, or almost stop spinning and that causes the knuckling effect. One famous ball is Harris to Cook in Australia that deviated after pitching and bowled him. Don't know if you've ever seen it
