The fellow was our coach for several years with an impressive CV.

• 2016 T20 WC winner ( windies)
• Helped Ireland and Afghanistan ( the latter qualified for the 2019WC)
• Bangladesh's first Test win in Australia and looking for domination

@allan

the teams that phil had sustained success with had boards that were a lot more professional than the misfits in CWI. phil had one decent administrator to deal with...skerrit. everyone else was a vampire

@allan

Phil Simmons big s**nt jettisoned Shiv when he was getting tantalisingly close (86 runs) to becoming Windies all time most test runs scorer an hence surpassing a certain B.C.Lara ...make of that what you will !!!😎.....also jettisoned Curtley from his bowling consultant role evidently wanting somebody more "technical" ...Banga Langa welcome to him...BIG SCU*T!!!!

@allan

Big time..

West Indies cricket has been held hostage for almost three decades…

@FanAttick

@allan

At least with Simmons he would knife you in the front not the back!!!😃

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Simmo is enjoying his tenure in the far East....

Yet CWI stuck with a coach that's a failure over the past few years

Aren't posters focusing on the wrong individual.

Stick with the process..🙄

No!

@sgtdjones wrote:

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Simmo is enjoying his tenure in the far East....

Yet CWI stuck with a coach that's a failure over the past few years

Aren't posters focusing on the wrong individual.

Stick with the process..🙄

Sarge Simmonds had to go at that time. Not because Sammy is allowed to stay...

@CCW wrote:

@allan

Phil Simmons big s**nt jettisoned Shiv when he was getting tantalisingly close (86 runs) to becoming Windies all time most test runs scorer an hence surpassing a certain B.C.Lara ...make of that what you will !!!😎.....also jettisoned Curtley from his bowling consultant role evidently wanting somebody more "technical" ...Banga Langa welcome to him...BIG SCU*T!!!!

shiv was done...finished.

@FanAttick wrote:

@allan

Big time..

West Indies cricket has been held hostage for almost three decades…

longer than that. Allan Rae, Skerrit, Rev Wes Hall and Ken Gordon were the only presidents of the last 40 years who genuinely cared about West Indies cricket.

@Jumpstart wrote:

@CCW wrote:

@allan

Phil Simmons big s**nt jettisoned Shiv when he was getting tantalisingly close (86 runs) to becoming Windies all time most test runs scorer an hence surpassing a certain B.C.Lara ...make of that what you will !!!😎.....also jettisoned Curtley from his bowling consultant role evidently wanting somebody more "technical" ...Banga Langa welcome to him...BIG SCU*T!!!!

shiv was done...finished.

@Jumpstart wrote:

@CCW wrote:

@allan

Phil Simmons big s**nt jettisoned Shiv when he was getting tantalisingly close (86 runs) to becoming Windies all time most test runs scorer an hence surpassing a certain B.C.Lara ...make of that what you will !!!😎.....also jettisoned Curtley from his bowling consultant role evidently wanting somebody more "technical" ...Banga Langa welcome to him...BIG SCU*T!!!!

shiv was done...finished.

Shiv was goin thru a lean patch by his own high standards but a champion like he had banked enough points to be given a chance to rediscover his best but ultimately wasn't ...yuh dnt have to be much of a conspiracy theorist to work why he was given the heave-ho at that point in fact it's quite elementary....like i said Simmons ...big sc**nthole fcuk him also what he did to another champion Curtley!!

@CCW wrote:.

Shiv was goin thru a lean patch by his own high standards but a champion like he had banked enough points to be given a chance to rediscover his best but ultimately wasn't ...yuh dnt have to be much of a conspiracy theorist to work why he was given the heave-ho at that point in fact it's quite elementary....like i said Simmons ...big sc**nthole fcuk him also what he did to another champion Curtley!!

dawg yuh do go thru a lean patch at 41.......lara, who was the best batsman of his era, started to show signs of ageing by 2006, and his antepenultimate innings was a double ton at age 37. tendulkar didn't score a test hundred in his last two years as a test cricketer, so that's from 37 to 40. south africa had ricky ponting looking like courtney walsh in his last test series. you don't go through a lean patch after 35. your reflexes and body are telling you times up

@Jumpstart wrote:

@CCW wrote:.

Shiv was goin thru a lean patch by his own high standards but a champion like he had banked enough points to be given a chance to rediscover his best but ultimately wasn't ...yuh dnt have to be much of a conspiracy theorist to work why he was given the heave-ho at that point in fact it's quite elementary....like i said Simmons ...big sc**nthole fcuk him also what he did to another champion Curtley!!

dawg yuh do go thru a lean patch at 41.......lara, who was the best batsman of his era, started to show signs of ageing by 2006, and his antepenultimate innings was a double ton at age 37. tendulkar didn't score a test hundred in his last two years as a test cricketer, so that's from 37 to 40. south africa had ricky ponting looking like courtney walsh in his last test series. you don't go through a lean patch after 35. your reflexes and body are telling you times up

@Jumpstart wrote:

@CCW wrote:.

Shiv was goin thru a lean patch by his own high standards but a champion like he had banked enough points to be given a chance to rediscover his best but ultimately wasn't ...yuh dnt have to be much of a conspiracy theorist to work why he was given the heave-ho at that point in fact it's quite elementary....like i said Simmons ...big sc**nthole fcuk him also what he did to another champion Curtley!!

dawg yuh do go thru a lean patch at 41.......lara, who was the best batsman of his era, started to show signs of ageing by 2006, and his antepenultimate innings was a double ton at age 37. tendulkar didn't score a test hundred in his last two years as a test cricketer, so that's from 37 to 40. south africa had ricky ponting looking like courtney walsh in his last test series. you don't go through a lean patch after 35. your reflexes and body are telling you times up

Ok reasonable points but at the same time there is no standard age where your reflexes etc are diminishing cos obviously every individual is different.....Shiv went either 6 or 7 inns without a 50 before being jettisoned yuh reckon that was enough proof to say he was washed up....also the fact that he was just 86 runs short of Lara was coincedental in the timing of him being moved on an by whom???....just asking!🤔

@CCW wrote

Ok reasonable points but at the same time there is no standard age where your reflexes etc are diminishing cos obviously every individual is different.....Shiv went either 6 or 7 inns without a 50 before being jettisoned yuh reckon that was enough proof to say he was washed up....also the fact that he was just 86 runs short of Lara was coincedental in the timing of him being moved on an by whom???....just asking!🤔

Shiv never went into bat above 5 in the last 15 years of his career. when lara, sarwan and gayle were in the side, all with averages over 40, the probability of him coming into the team with the shine off the new ball was relatively high. by the time 2015 came around, in a team purged of its best players, there was only one man in the side with an avg over 40 other than chanderpaul, bravo and he would be gone by the end of the next year. so whatever issues tiger now had with eyesight, reflexes, general in match fitness would have been and were exposed big time. it didn't make any sense to keep him. if the test careers of gayle, the two bravos and sarwan weren't interrupted or destroyed, maybe shiv could have played on but in a side where nobody averaged over 40 save one man, it didn't make sense. and shiv himself knew that, which is why he never moved up even when the lineup became Kraigg, powell, hope, bravo, blackwood.

@Jumpstart wrote:

@CCW wrote

Ok reasonable points but at the same time there is no standard age where your reflexes etc are diminishing cos obviously every individual is different.....Shiv went either 6 or 7 inns without a 50 before being jettisoned yuh reckon that was enough proof to say he was washed up....also the fact that he was just 86 runs short of Lara was coincedental in the timing of him being moved on an by whom???....just asking!🤔

Shiv never went into bat above 5 in the last 15 years of his career. when lara, sarwan and gayle were in the side, all with averages over 40, the probability of him coming into the team with the shine off the new ball was relatively high. by the time 2015 came around, in a team purged of its best players, there was only one man in the side with an avg over 40 other than chanderpaul, bravo and he would be gone by the end of the next year. so whatever issues tiger now had with eyesight, reflexes, general in match fitness would have been and were exposed big time. it didn't make any sense to keep him. if the test careers of gayle, the two bravos and sarwan weren't interrupted or destroyed, maybe shiv could have played on but in a side where nobody averaged over 40 save one man, it didn't make sense. and shiv himself knew that, which is why he never moved up even when the lineup became Kraigg, powell, hope, bravo, blackwood.

All very interesting but I'm dealing with specifics as follows......so in your opinion when Shiv was axed by Simmons 86 runs short of Lara's all time test runs was sheer coincidence???....just asking!

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