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A320 GermanWings crashes in France

 
Larr Pullo 2015-03-24 07:29:10 

A320 GermanWings aircraft en route from Barcelona to Dusseldorf crashes in France. 148 Souls lost.

 
FanAttick 2015-03-24 07:30:33 

In reply to Larr Pullo

Flying over those Alps is both beautiful and scary....

 
Tryangle 2015-03-24 09:09:35 

Goodness. So tragic sad

 
eXodus 2015-03-24 18:13:36 

Something off about planes lately

 
hubert 2015-03-24 19:04:23 

In reply to Larr Pullo
Tragic. That's many lives lost.
Wonder if terrorism at play ?

 
jen 2015-03-24 23:00:18 

In reply to eXodus

my exact thoughts too, way too many planes going down lately.

 
FanAttick 2015-03-25 20:04:01 

News just in....one pilot was locked out of the cockpit during the unplanned descent and was unable to get back in..suicide?

 
imusic 2015-03-25 20:15:39 

In reply to FanAttick

A senior military official involved in the investigation described “very smooth, very cool” conversation between the pilots during the early part of the flight from Barcelona to Düsseldorf. Then the audio indicated that one of the pilots left the cockpit and could not re-enter.

“The guy outside is knocking lightly on the door and there is no answer,” the investigator said. “And then he hits the door stronger and no answer. There is never an answer.”

He said, “You can hear he is trying to smash the door down.”

While the audio seemed to give some insight into the circumstances leading up to the Germanwings crash, it also left many questions unanswered.

"We don’t know yet the reason why one of the guys went out,” said the official, who requested anonymity because the investigation is continuing. "But what is sure is that at the very end of the flight, the other pilot is alone and does not open the door."


FORKED UP

Maybe de other pilot had a massive heart attack and slumped forward over the steering.

But if dis turn out to be de cause of de crash.....even hell too good a place fuh dah pilot evil twisted

If yuh want to kill yuhself, go tru...but yuh doh have to take a whole nex 149 other people wit yuh.

 
Larr Pullo 2015-03-25 20:15:53 

In reply to FanAttick

Wow really?!?!?!?!

 
Larr Pullo 2015-03-25 20:19:15 

In reply to imusic

Damn that's fucked up!!! We always fly with that airline to go to various cities in Europe. It's like Jet Blue. Now they'll have to make sure that there is some kind of combination lock, or swipe and pin combination to re-enter the flight deck.

 
NHu 2015-03-25 20:21:33 

There are two people in the cockpit at all times. Whenever one pilot needs to step out, another member of the flight crew goes in.

 
imusic 2015-03-25 20:24:47 

In reply to Larr Pullo

There are 2 other similar instances I'm aware of

The co-pilot of EgyptAir Flight 990, which crashed off New England in 1999, killing 217 people, deliberately crashed the plane as an act of revenge, according to a source close to the investigation.
Gamil el-Batouty had earlier been reprimanded for sexual misconduct and the executive who told him he would not be allowed to fly US routes again was on board the plane.

REVENGE


So far as is publicly known, there is no direct proof that the crash was caused by a suicidal act. And there may never be proof: Someone, possibly a crew member, apparently turned off the cockpit voice recorder and flight data recorder. The Indonesian government, which is in charge of the crash investigation, says only that it is looking into all possibilities, including suicide. Singapore Airlines has declined to comment.

Circumstantial Events
But weeks of intensive investigation have turned up not even a clue suggesting any other cause. And people close to the investigation say a series of circumstantial events increasingly point to suicide.

"It looks like there were a number of deliberate acts preceding, and apparently leading up to, the crash," says one air-safety expert familiar with the SilkAir investigation.


SILK AIR CRASH

 
NHu 2015-03-25 20:31:37 

In reply to imusic

The rules changed in 2001 disallowing solo occupancy of the cockpit.

 
FanAttick 2015-03-25 21:19:37 

In reply to imusic

Aviation expert on MSNBC just stated that all the parameters including air speed, pitch etc appeared to be stable ..and that the only change appeared to be altitude..given that the a320 computers does not allow sudden wild configuration changes...this is increasingly pointing to deliberate human action...

 
Chrissy 2015-03-25 21:30:03 

In reply to FanAttick

Well if one pilot went to the bathroom and the other had a heart attack, the plane could fall out of the sky.
The thing is that these budget airlines do not ensure that there are at least two persons in the cockpit at all times.
There are only two possibilities - a medical crisis or deliberate crash

 
Bigzinc 2015-03-26 09:01:48 

In reply to Chrissy

agreed. But there are many questions to be answered.

 
Bigzinc 2015-03-26 09:16:07 

Deliberate Crash

The copilot committed suicide but murdered 149 other people. What drives people to commit these acts?

 
pelon 2015-03-26 09:24:42 

In reply to Chrissy

Well if one pilot went to the bathroom and the other had a heart attack, the plane could fall out of the sky.


Yes - well obviously - but also no: depends on auto-pilot after the co-pilot "medical issue".

Most flights on-route are on auto-pilot. the captain would NOT leave command (to pee or otherwise) if it was NOT on auto-pilot and in STABLE flight.
So the plane could have flown all the way to the airport on auto-pilot.

For the plane to crash as it did, many many failures would have had to happen, the first being the co-pilot taking the plane OFF auto-pilot.... THEN having a medical emergency.
Unlikely, but not impossible.

From the news it sounds like not much time elapsed between the captain leaving and the events unfolding.

 
imusic 2015-03-26 12:18:50 

I can't imagine being the family of that co pilot who is being accused of deliberately crashing the plane.

They might feel as if they might as well have been on that plane with all the scrutiny and guilt they must be under.

What's really strange is that officials have been quick to point to a deliberate action as the cause of the crash. Usually they wait until the investigation is complete, especially one so complex. Pilot suicide would be the last thing they would usually want to blame.

But don't underestimate the powerful airline industry. Airbus is Europe's literal "flagship". The A320 is one of the most widely used aircraft on the planet. The suggestion that a mechanical failure could cause such a crash would have disastrous consequences. Imagine if they had to pull every A320 out of service. The industry would break.

This whole siutation is fucked up.

 
hubert 2015-03-26 12:31:40 

In reply to imusic


Your last sentence sums it up.
Strange.I would wait till all that is to be known is revealed. Them Germans aint easy.We hear that the accused co-pilot is German national and Lufthansa is a very big enterprise.Something does not appear kosher. But 150 lives are gone.

 
imusic 2015-03-26 16:53:19 

In reply to NHu

There are two people in the cockpit at all times. Whenever one pilot needs to step out, another member of the flight crew goes in.

The rules changed in 2001 disallowing solo occupancy of the cockpit.


Must not have applied across the board

The federal government has issued an emergency order requiring Canadian airlines to have two crew members in the cockpit at all times.
Transport Minister Lisa Raitt issued the directive Thursday in the wake of reports that the pilot of a German flight, alone in the cockpit, deliberately crashed his jet in France.
“In light of the reports this morning . . . I am issuing an order to require two members on the flight deck at all times on Canadian planes,” Raitt told reporters.
The order applies to all commercial flights carrying passengers and is effective immediately, she said.
“This order is seeking to fill a gap that is in the rules,” Raitt said. “Currently, there is not the requirement to have two members.”


CANADA ISSUES MANDATE TODAY

 
imusic 2015-03-26 18:37:58 

More oddities

Most of the passengers on board may not have been aware of their impending doom, he said, as the plane descended gradually as if it were coming down to land before slamming into the mountains of Le Vernet, in the Provence Alps near Seyne-les-Alpes.
But as the horror of the situation suddenly became clear, the prosecutor said "we only hear screams in the last seconds. Death was instant."


The part in bold is curious.

Let's say he was hell bent on "destroying the plane" as they put it....wouldn't it be plausible that he would just do a steep dive and spectacular crash instead of a gradual descent?

Lots not adding up

 
Dukes 2015-03-26 19:36:20 

In reply to imusic


What's really strange is that officials have been quick to point to a deliberate action as the cause of the crash. Usually they wait until the investigation is complete, especially one so complex. Pilot suicide would be the last thing they would usually want to blame


I do not find it strange at all. The rapidity with which a conclusion can be drawn is directly related to the clarity of the evidence.
The Captain banging on the door and the co-pilot breathing normally suggests that the co-pilot was not unconscious and deliberately did not allow the captain back in the cockpit.Apparently the evidence is that the co-pilot also changed the settings of the flight path so that the plane was set to descend to 96 feet.
To most people that is a "smoking gun" not a reason to speculate about a conspiracy theory about the powerful airline industry.

 
imusic 2015-03-26 19:59:34 

In reply to Dukes

I not into conspiracy theories. I'm just saying it's odd that they are so conclusive with their findings so early in the investigation.


If the co pilot was determined to crash the plane, one cannot begin to rationalize that act. But it does seem odd to me that instead of CRASHING THE PLANE by going into a steep dive, he calculatedly just let it "glide" into the mountain. There could be plenty reasons for that....reasons only he and GOD privy to. I just find it odd.

I'm also curious how on the one hand, they could confirm that they could hear the co pilot breathing normally up until the point of impact, and at the same time, they sayin they could hear screaming from the passengers in the last moments of the flight.

He must have been a really loud breather.

 
jen 2015-03-26 22:07:28 

In reply to imusic

some people who are over weight breathe heavier and can be heard even 20 feet away huffing.

 
black 2015-03-26 22:15:35 

In reply to jen


some people who are over weight breathe heavier and can be heard even 20 feet away huffing.


Be nice jen....might be some fat people in this forum lol lol lol

 
Dukes 2015-03-26 22:36:02 

In reply to imusic

One of the things I do,whenever I am looking at a topic that is outside my area of expertize is to carefully consider why the experts say certain things.
When I read them talk about knowing that the co-pilot was breathing normally up until the point of impact I thought about how and why they would know that.It seems to me an important bit of information to collect from the recorder i.e Was the pilot conscious.You would recall the golfer Payne Stewart and that plane crash where they knew that both he and the pilot were unconscious so that should not be a mystery.

I am surprised that you are trying to work out how someone would kill a plane load of people including themselves in a way that is not odd.

 
black 2015-03-26 23:14:07 

In reply to Dukes

The NTSB and their European counterparts are very good at what they do

 
JOJO 2015-03-27 01:37:51 

In reply to imusic

I not into conspiracy theories.


Wow! Good thing you're not!

I'm also curious how on the one hand, they could confirm that they could hear the co pilot breathing normally up until the point of impact, and at the same time, they sayin they could hear screaming from the passengers in the last moments of the flight.


There are numerous articles around that explain how the flight recorders work and how the technicians are able to isolate the different sounds. This is not the first time this has been done.

BTW, regarding your "non-conspiracy" theory about the powerful airline industry--ever thought of how many people and how much pre-planning would be required to conduct such a cover-up in such a short period?

 
Larr Pullo 2015-03-27 06:36:08 

Damn homosexuals.... evil evil

 
FanAttick 2015-03-27 06:53:12 

In reply to Larr Pullo

Wow...The plane hit the mountain at a speed of 434 miles per hour..
People have been killed in car crashes at 40 miles per hour...

 
Disciple 2015-03-27 09:20:28 

In reply to imusic

If the co pilot was determined to crash the plane, one cannot begin to rationalize that act. But it does seem odd to me that instead of CRASHING THE PLANE by going into a steep dive, he calculatedly just let it "glide" into the mountain. There could be plenty reasons for that....reasons only he and GOD privy to. I just find it odd.


According to the experts on CNN, this would be difficult to do, given that the computer on board the plane is designed to protect the plane from pilot error to a certain extent. It may not have allowed him to make a steep descent as you're suggesting.

 
black 2015-03-27 09:34:28 

In reply to Disciple

One of those experts suggested the descent was gradual enough to not trigger an alert

 
Tryangle 2015-03-27 10:37:39 

The pilot "was a lovely boy"...

This whole article showing the analysis of the pilot doesn't sit right for some reason.