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This may possibly be a wake up Call . Its comprehensive defeat of Pakistan does not look like a fluke .

So it is important to look at the following
facts .

1. Bangladesh has a much larger population
than what we have in the Region . This is important , because it means that it has more
people playing Cricket than we have in the Region .

2. Their players are playing more Cricket
than our Players . This means that their
Cricket is keener than our Ours .

3. This means that the standard of Cricket
in Bangladesh is increasing . So in turn is
the abilities of its Players in all aspects of the game .

4. Bangladesh Neighbours , India ; Pakistan;
Sri Lanka , by playing matches with Bangladesh , are helping the Bangladesh Players & Team to be more competitive in the
International Cricket Arena .

Obviously , their Players are not only properly prepared ,by playing a lot of Cricket ; but has enabled them to acquire the ability to Concentrate for long
periods , due to Mental & Physical Stamina ,
in all aspects of their game .

My Team has been , and will always be the West Indies but I am never going to ignore
facts when I see them . This is precisely why I am stating that Bangladesh is nipping
at our Heels .

POINT,

IT WAS ONLY A MATTER OF TIME!!

HA!HA!HA!

SHEIK

Is this the asylum seekers or dwellers thread?

Bangladesh mauling of Pakistan , is nothing to sneeze at , it is a reminder to all & sundry that Bangladesh is no longer the doormat for Teams ranked above it .

I have stated the reasons for Bangladesh
improving standard of Cricket . Now this
has to do with the fact that Players in Bangladesh are playing a lot of Cricket ,
and ultimately this has led to its improved
competitiveness .

Now this is in stark contrast to what WE
have in the Region . I will continuously
point out the fact that Our Players play
less Cricket in all formats of the game than Players on Teams ranked above our Team .

As I have stated elsewhere in this Forum the ingredients required to be fully competitive in all aspects of Cricket cannot be bought in any Store ; SuperMarket ; or Hardware Store .

They are skills that have to be learned ;
and the only method that they can be learned is by playing a lot of Cricket .
This is why it is asinine for the Windward Islands Cricket Board to mandate that the
Windward Islands Tournament be only 2 days
in which 4 innings must be crammed into those 2 days .

In reply to POINT

The Windwards islands comp is NOT a fc competition.

Therefore it follows the same path as grade cricket in Aus and league cricket in England, both of which are under their fc shield and county cricket comps and both of which are TWO DAY competitions.

In the case of grade cricket they play over multiple weekends.

LEARN!

In reply to POINT
Test rankings

In reply to VIX

at least bang selects their best players..

west indies doesn't

In reply to VIX

Are you trying to inform me that it is a
figment of my imagination , that Bangladesh
beat Pakistan in different versions of the game ????????

Pakistan according to your ICC Rankings is
3rd . and very recently was beaten by Bangladesh , this makes Bangladesh Victories
over Pakistan even more impressive .

In reply to POINT

Bangladesh beat them in ODI's and Pakistan are ranked #3 at Tests? What is your POINT exactly?

In reply to Commie

Please spare me your nonsense , the way the
Windwards are going , Emmanuel Stewart's
talent is going to be wasted . But then
that would not be a surprise .

The sad thing is that the Windward Islands
Cricket Board would not give a damn when that happens .

I notice that you never mentioned a word about Bangladesh , I guess you came down
with a bout of Writers Cramp .

In reply to POINT

Bangladesh must win all the test series they contest, for the next 4 years, to begin to "nip" at anyone's heels.

In reply to POINT

You used to spout nonsense about WI players being banned from county cricket. Nico corrected you and you have slowly dropped it from your usual stories.

I am determined to force that same acceptance from you for this 2 day nonsense. 2 day cricket is the norm WORLDWIDE for club cricket below fc.

When they enter fc competition it then reverts to 4 day.

The same 2 day Windwards competition and club cricket produced Lance John, Sebo, Winston Davis, Dawnley Joseph, etc etc.

One fallacy at a time.

In reply to POINT

Nipping?

Maybe not in test quite yet.

But with their big series win - they are TIED with us currently in the ODI rankings and just ahead of Pak!

In reply to Commie

So why is it that the Leeward Islands Players play 4 day matches , or am I making that up ???

I know , that is a fallacy on my part . Emmanuel Stewart , will never progress under
the Worst Regional Cricket Board .

Those in the governance of Windwards
Cricket simply don't give a damn about
whether or not there is Progress in Windward Islands Cricket .

Over a decade ago the sat on their Asses ,
rather than lobby for Smith & Peters going to get Overseas Coaching .

In reply to POINT

You all over the place. When Leewards were strong their club cricket and comp the QUALITY was high. Their comp was 3 day and going to 4 day has coincided with some of their worst fc performances.

Peters was scuppered by his own local board in St Vincent at a time when Butler, Olanzo Jackson and co were still around and Smith got every opportunity. He just couldn't cut it.

Stop randomly talking nonsense and hoping it will stick.

I noted your squealing about OD cricket in the past. In Aus domestic they play just one more round of games than our Super 50.

What is true is they have better wickets and more importantly more former players playing club cricket and preparing the next gen of FC players.

In reply to dax

I hear You , Read what VIX stated above .
My take is that Vix is talking about the past .

The manner in which they beat Pakistan , informs me that they are going to be a very
troublesome Team .

In reply to Commie

Stop being evasive , the essential point I have been making & am making is that the Players on Teams ranked above our Team , and Bangladesh , play more Cricket than our Players . That is a Fact not Fiction .

It is only by playing a lot of matches can Players acquire Mental & Physical Stamina
;the Ability to concentrate for long
periods & the ability to forge meaningful Partnerships . It is necessary to have
these qualities in Players to win matches
CONSISTENTLY , in the Longer Versions of
the Game .

I challenge you to state that this is untrue . Our Players in the Region for over 30 years have been playing less Cricket than the Players on Teams ranked above our Team .

My take is that the more matches Players
play at the first class level , the better that they can compete at the International
Level .

The standard of Regional Cricket is lower than the Standard required at the International level . For years the WICB
has not done one blasted thing about this
, because they have Shills like you and those in the Media to shower it with praise rather than taking a very critical view . I am reminded of the adage :

" There are none so Blind as

Those who Refuse to See "

BTW , it aint the Players jod to have the Pitches properly prepared ; that is the
WICB'S Job ; but then its Reckless Behaviour regarding the Indian Tour , means that has landed itself in trouble
needlessly . So it is very likely that
the Pitches in the Region aint going to be fixed . WE need to Stop supporting Mediocrity .

In reply to gvenkat

The point I am making is that Those who in the past have been dismissive of Bangladesh
will soon have to change their tune or eat a lot of Crow .

BTW , in the first Test Match Bangladesh made 332 in its first innings ; Pakistan
made 628 . In its second innings Bangladesh
made 556 for 6 wickets . The match was
drawn ;but this aint nothing to smirk at ,
because they were 73 runs behind Pakistan first innings total, with 4 wickets in hand .

In reply to Commie

The essential Point I am making is that
the more matches Players , the better they will perform at the International level .

Bangladesh proves the point I have been making for over a Decade in this Forum .
Now you and others cannot refute that fact .

As usual You & Others bluntly refuse to address this Issue , because of your blind & staunch Support of the WICB . We unfortunately are sowing the Seeds of the
Lack of Vision & Foresight of the WICB 30
Odd years ago when it was very feasible to form a Pro or Semi Pro League .

Our Players & Team were the best in the World , yet People in the governance of
Cricket did absolutely nothing . You cannot refute this either .

I know that you are fully aware of the fact that Sponsors not only love Winners ;
they love their Brand being associated with Winners .

Now 30 + years later, we must be overjoyed
by the formation of a Professional League . It will take at least 15 years before we can get to the top , obviously that is if
the League is continuously playing , the
WICB is notorious for starting things & then abandoning them .

In reply to POINT

This reality only serves to support your often repeated call for more attention to 4 day games and test cricket and the like.

It was only a matter of time...i cant believe I agreeing with Sheik...

Our recent performance against England was actually very good considering our piss poor attention to this format of the game.

whatever they do...we will buss their collective tails so..I am not overly concerned about them..I am more interested in developing a cadre of Test cricketers and securing them for our test cricket exploits best we can barring any NOC or accusations of hindering earning potential of a few of them in the lucrative T20 leagues.

In reply to powen001

Look I look at the various versions of Cricket like this ; Marathons are like
Test Matches ; ODI Matches are like 10,000
meters , Twenty 20 Matches are like the
200 meters .

Now , Marathon Runners can run both the 10,000 meters& the 200 meters . They may
not win those races , but they would have the stamina to finish those two races .

Now in Cricket if emphasis is placed on being fully prepared for Test Matches . ODI Matches and Twenty 20 Matches will be easy .

They would have both the Mental & Physical
Stamina ; Concentration etc in all aspects of the game to be very competitive in the 3 versions of the game . I mention these because it is in the longer versions of the game that the deficiencies of the above skills in our Players quickly come to the surface .

The gist of what I am stating is that once our Players acquire the skills I have mentioned in the longest version of the game , the other versions will be like a breeze .

In reply to POINT

WI already disprove that theory.....yes, that is a big factor, but the level of competition is more important

India should be unstoppable, if that is the case

In reply to POINT

Neither was the one vs ZIM.

Pakistan will lose to the weakest minnow in one series....

...and trash the No.1 3/0 in the very NEXT series.

In reply to POINT

I stand in full agreement with you and your analogy is BANG ON...see USAIN BOLT!

The evidence is before us and in our minds ...WE WON that TEST SERIES even if the trophy returns to ENGLAND...and POINT we did it without the salient things you have been saying for years...now IF Only we learnt..If only we recognize the Value of what you have been saying..and by we..I mean the WICB.

kudos Point.

In reply to powen001


This precisely why I am totally opposed to the Winward Islands Asinine idea to cram the Windward Islands Tournament into playing 4 innings in 2 freaking days .

That is stupidity at its highest . Yet Commie comes here and spouts that bile . Let me once again say that I am sorry for youngsters like Emmanuel Stewart .

What Commie fails to factor into the equation is the fact that Players on other Teams ranked above our Team currently are
playing more matches than our Players in all the versions of the game .

Now that being the case , if in some of those Countries they choose to augment their matches with having two day matches
that does not affect the competitiveness of their Players & Teams .

However when OUR Players , who are playing less Cricket than their counterparts on Teams ranked above our Team . It is totally absurd to be in favour of 2 days
Matches in the Region .

This is why I am of the opinion that those on the Windward Islands Cricket Board , are Stupid to continue this colossal Absurdity . Especially when consideration is given to what I have stated above , that is not a figment of my imagination .

In reply to powen001

Thanks for your kind Sentiments .

Now let me address what you have stated specifically .With all due respect , I look at the just concluded Series against England from a dimmer set of lens than You & Others .
The truth is that WE have got so low in
Cricket that WE have been reduced to jumping up & down , because our Team won a
Match to Draw the Series . This aptly demonstrates how low Cricket in the Region
has fallen .

I therefore can rejoice at our current status in the Cricket World . England has only come to the Region to prepare for their battle against Australia ; and soon the latter will come to the Region to prepare for their battle against England .

In essence , our Players & Team are being used as a Door mat , by both England & Australia ; I take no comfort in this fact .
The Chickens are coming home to roost , then all this is compounded by the gross
negligence of those in the governance of Cricket in the Region , who have allowed
for decades the standard of Cricket in the Region to deteriorate to the point where our Team has become the door mat for Australia & England , and WE have to play Mas , when we win a match to draw the Series , and run around as if this was winning the Series .

As I have continuously stated I am a staunch Supporter of our Players , I cannot however be a Supporter of our Rogue Cricket Board who for decades during different Administrations have bluntly refused to understand that Cricket is a
very serious business ; that requires the business of Cricket be taken very seriously .

Now if the people in the WICB honestly believed that Cricket is a very serious business , they would have had the good sense to settle the problem with the Players in India . So the Tour could continue .

However because they do not think that Cricket is a very serious business , they decided to Recklessly pull the plug , and
are now possibly facing a proposed lawsuit
of 43 million dollars . I seriously doubt
that any other Cricket Board would have been so Reckless , and Rash .

The can do these things because they have emasculated most if not all of the Sports Journalists in the Region . The Mimic Men
still believe that they are living in the 19th Century .

In reply to POINT

yes...We could choose to see them using us as doormats to prepare and have some fun in the sun and all that...

But under the circumstances of grossly reduced opportunities to play them in counties and contractual arrangements...This is our lot.

Did they do it to us and are we blameless?... Of course not a lot of our position has been self inflicted and we both agree...due to poor leadership.

I choose to be optimistic and see the glass as half full and thankful that we are still allowed to play against them...tier system et al.

We no longer stride the colossus we were...but lets operate in stealth mode and quietly rebuild..We have no choice POINT...we really don't unless you know of a seamless way to rebuild the trust between players and management while focusing on grassroots to regional tournaments in one fell swoop as every territory is paid and supported equally.

In reply to powen001


If it took the WICB 30 years for the WICB to realise that WE needed a Professional League . It will take another 30 years for them to understand that our players are playing less Cricket than Players on Teams ranked above our Team .

Then another 30 years to do something
about this disparity . The people on the Regional Boards & the people in the WICB are only interested in surviving , NOTHING
ELSE matters to them , except ensuring their Power is never ever diluted .