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It was reported that at least two Directors of the West Indies Cricket (WICB) and its President Dave Cameron managed to override the surprising decision by Chairman of Selectors Clive Lloyd to sack 40-year-old Guyanese Shiv Chanderpaul from the team for the two-Test series against Australia which starts on June 3 in Dominica.

This happened at a WICB retreat at the Accra Beach Hotel in Barbados yesterday. “The WICB is having a retreat with its players, staff and directors and (Anand) Sanasie and another Director were able to convince enough Directors and the President to override Lloyd and the selection panel to give Chanderpaul his last series”, a well placed source told Kaieteur Sport.
Kaieteur Sports’ efforts to make contact with Sanasie all day yesterday proved futile since he was reportedly still in Barbados.

The source also informed that Lloyd is far from pleased that his decision was over ruled. Lloyd, the former Guyana and West Indies Captain, was reportedly told that this is a policy decision to honour Chanderpaul’s contribution to West Indies Cricket over the past 21 years.
Only recently Lloyd failed to select Guyanese left-arm spinner Veerasammy Permaul, who had the most wickets in the Regional series, for the World Cup and did not pick Leon Johnson or Narsingh Deonarine for the English series after they had both played in the preceding series in South Africa.

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The iconic former West Indies skipper, Clive Lloyd, should resign on principle for his decision being blatantly overridden. Composition of the team has always been the purview of the selection Panel, and not the WICB directors.

This is an outrage!

Does the Legendary Lloyd have enough guts and principles to resign, or is this just another case of him allowing himself to be used and disrespected just to remain in the inner circle?

In reply to jacksprat

Once again you are wrong.

The directors have to ratify. Where it would have been bad is if the majority agreed with the selectors and instead the process was railroaded to get a quorum from a limited set of directors as has happened in the past.

In reply to Commie
My information is that the Selection Panel has a free hand regarding the composition-mindful of availability, suspensions, etc-of the team but the Board must ratify the appointment of the captain.

The pertinent question remains: Will Clive Lloyd now tender his resignation in light of this wanton show of disrespect?

Note that the rules have changed with at least how the captaincy is treated.

Before the Pak tour in 1997 the selectors headed by Joey Carew nominated Lara for cappo and the Board under Rousseau rejected the nomination and instead appointed Walsh.

Now the board can only send it back to the selectors.

Carew never resigned as he didn't when he stiffed both Hooper and Sarwan.

Just another day in the politics of WI Cricket.

And this time gave a great opportunity for a PR win.

Once again I must warn of the role of Courtney Brung. Poor Lloyd is being savaged in isolation.

In reply to jacksprat

Depends on whether Lloyd really was overruled on a strongly held principle or just part of a PR play.

That is his call.

In reply to Commie

I wasn't aware of the changes in the rules. I disagreed with Rousseau's actions in 1997-98 regarding the sacking of Lara & Hooper, just as I later disagreed with the heavy handed action of Ken Gordon in overruling the selectors' decision and appointing Lara captain over Sarwan. As much as I think Shiv should still be included in the team, I respected the decision of Lloyd, et al, to scuttle him from the team and think it is continuing a bad precedent for the Cameron cabal to force Shiv's inclusion.

You see, I tend to be consistent in my position and do not (dis) agree with a decision merely because of the personalities involved.

Sad to say but Lloyd is showing himself to be a spineless puppet

In reply to jacksprat

You don't know the details of the meeting yet you are already labelling Lloyd spineless.

In reply to Commie

My view of him is not based on this current fiasco but on his antecedents!

Why do you think so many of his former players have lost respect for him?

The WICB did the right thing, goog leadership prevailed.

You guys have nothing to worry about as there will be no public backlash, becUse the public would have wanted a send off.

In reply to Commie


HE IS SPINELESS..........whether you know the details or not.....you did your job and then had to bow to the whims and fancies of a few.......this should never have gotten here, it was know for a long time that west indies had these two series in the west indies, Shiv should have been made aware of the direction the people intend to go and their intentions to move on without him.....(Sammy was told and he made his decision on that) this lotta grandstanding was not necessary........we like too much drama..........

In reply to cherri

Amen.

In reply to cherri

When you realise that the winner out of all of this was the President for appearing to be gracious and populist I think you would consider events as you would a Shakespearian play...

I recently had a convo with a player about the selectors and Lloyd wasn't bandied about as much as I thought he would be.

Best he resign and let Courtney do his thing.

In reply to Commie

You telling me, me, bout realizing who the winner of this is?.......I ent slow boss, I know from day 1 that this President will do anything to look good in the eyes of a public that ent have no time for him so scoring some cheap points here ent nutten to J'ca Dave....

Another clumsily handled situation, it should have never developed like this if proper consultation and coordination was done in the beginning, now Lloyd look weak and Cameron looks like the hero.

In reply to jacksprat

In theory but not in practice.

The WICB Directors were and will always be micro-managers.

I was hoping this would not be the case with Simmonds but it looks as if Simmonds will also see the same kind of interference from his bosses.

Good job cleaning up the mess.......kudos

Simmonds should not get too comfortable in this job after this incident, he sees that he would be undermined when it is to the wish of the WICB.

In reply to dayne

He should feel confident that someone is there to clean up this mess

In reply to black
The mess was created by the President overriding the decision of the Selectors who should have consulted with the President about how the situation will be handled. However, there could be a bigger mess in the making, if when the series is over, Chanderpaul is ten runs short.

In reply to dayne

If Shiv asked for two tests only...then 2 tests it should be

In fact if he makes two ducks in the first test...he should be dropped for the next test

In reply to dayne

He will NOT fall 10 runs short

In reply to black
I hope you are a good prophet.

Listen, we all have our opinions, some biased, others unbiased if the cobweb of insularity which usual enmesh Windian thinking can be momentarily cleared away.

Lloyd's thinking and decision making can be thought of coming from a sound place, but it was devoid of sensitivity - culturally, politically and cricket wise.

In the aftermath of a heatedly contested political campaign in Guyana with its usual tension between the ethnic groups, he pulls this stunt against a fellow Guyanese. Not just any Guyanese, but a long-serving servant of the one common activity that still maintains a strong bond among West Indians. He just not only opens up himself for criticism and suspicion, but at the same time exaggerated the perception of a conspiracy with Shiv so close to breaking Lara's record.

So what if Shiv's skills are diminishing? What if he were a mere 8 runs away rather than just 80 plus, would Lloyd and Co. still have made the same call?

Lloyd and others who agree with him, can say all they want about looking out for the long-term interest of Windies cricket and moving on beyond Shiv, but for Pete's sake, it's a lousy 2-Test series. It was a simple ask; a mere short-term give and a gracious bow to Shiv's outstanding career. It would have no long-term impact on the progression of Windies cricket to allow him at least two more Test matches.

How could Lloyd and his fellow selectors have soared above these realities and leave it up to the Comrade to make the appropriate correction? It's mindboggling to say the least.

In reply to jacksprat

WEST INDIES CRICKET IS BLIGHTED
Every time , it seems we going some where , we end up taking 3 steps backward

In reply to CaribbeanCricket.com

"...Only recently Lloyd failed to select Guyanese left-arm spinner Veerasammy Permaul, who had the most wickets in the Regional series ...and did not pick Leon Johnson or Narsingh Deonarine for the English series....."
What are you trying to insinuate about Clive Lloyd?

In reply to CaribbeanCricket.com

If Cameron is going to sit there, then override decisions made by the selectors, maybe he should take over the job of selectors, forget about a selection panel and just be head cook and bottle washer!

In reply to jacksprat

you experts in here were all over the place rejoicing over Shiv been dropped. But you experts failed to read between the lines

In reply to Real-cricket

suh wuh gine on is Shiv in or out ?????

In reply to ponderiver

Granger coming for LLoyd

In reply to Commie

Just to clarify, are you suggesting that the President of the GCB is also ignorant of the rules governing selection of the team?:

In reply to rhatid

That's what happens when the CC admin takes an article from Sean Devers and runs it on the front page. Dude has ISSUES!!!

In reply to jacksprat

totally agree with you - only in West Indies cricket would shit like that play-out this way - no wonder we cant make any progress

In reply to birdseye

Turns out that his decision wasn't overridden. Anyway the Lloyd I know would tell Shiv, and all the board members in a minute where and precisely how far to KTS!

In reply to rhatid
I didn't hear alot of people complaining when Don Hillaire was the de facto chief and only selector.