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Can Kohli bat like Lara?
2015-08-18 12:19:59
2015-08-18 12:35:48
Kohli has more shots, he's more fluent in his stroke play, and he doesn’t wait for the spinner or medium pacer to come into the attack to get stuck in.
Break down their stroke play to offside and legside.
Offside - Kohli. If you want, you can call it a draw. If you give it to Lara, it's marginal.
Legside/Onside - not even remotely close, Kohli by a mile.
Due to Lara's high back lift, he rarely hit a straight drive or an on drive.
Kohli drives deliveries that aren't even a drivable length.
2015-08-18 12:50:16
In reply to Devin
Get a life!
Brian is a book while Kohli is a chapter.
2015-08-18 13:13:59
In reply to thomasthomas
That's beautiful. Dispute what I said with some evidence.
2015-08-18 13:28:45
The same way people may say that I can't be objective about Kohli, well it isn't any different for West Indians and Lara. For most of you, only Viv can be compared to him.
Lara scored runs on the flattest of wickets against spinners and medium pacers.
He did nothing against the great fast bowlers of his generation.
McGrath, Donald, Wasim and Waqar. He scored runs against Australia in the Caribbean on flat tracks and grounds the size of a pool table.
Lara is the greatest batsman against mediocre bowling and spinners.
His record in Australia is quite revealing. I use Australia as an example because they were the #1 side for most of Lara's career.
2015-08-18 13:42:21
In reply to WI_cricfan
Yuh really eye pass Lara.. dais all...
2015-08-18 13:59:12
In reply to Devin
u bored and looking gyaff or wah?
2015-08-18 16:42:24
Devin please relook at Lara with an objective view if you have one
Nothing against the great fast bowlers ?
This is the view of Ian Chappell :
Lara had an innate knowledge of which bowlers to target in order to score quickly and which ones were the most likely to endanger his existence. Consequently, he'd score quickly in spurts and steadily at other times. Fully capitalising on this knowledge he was able to achieve huge scores. Because he didn't put his wicket at risk by trying to score at a rapid rate when the best bowlers were fresh, he was able to maintain a fast run rate by feasting at the most opportune times.
This method also allowed him to maintain a similar run rate from the beginning to the end of his career, which not even Bradman was able to achieve. That is why Lara was able to perform the most remarkable feat of all - reclaiming the world record for the highest score in Test cricket ten years after originally setting the mark.
This method also allowed him to maintain a similar run rate from the beginning to the end of his career, which not even Bradman was able to achieve. That is why Lara was able to perform the most remarkable feat of all - reclaiming the world record for the highest score in Test cricket ten years after originally setting the mark.
Cricinfo
Glenn McGrath, Shaun Pollock and Jason Gillespie kept Lara in check, but with very little success. In fact, Kallis and Gillespie bowled a lot at Lara but did not dismiss him even once. Lara attacked Warne but also lost his wicket often.
2015-08-18 16:44:11
Devin is proof of crab in a barrel syndrome
2015-08-18 16:54:23
In reply to Cornfused
devin is not a crab
it's a slug
2015-08-18 17:14:00
2015-08-18 18:11:59
In reply to Devin
So in your opinion Kohli has all the shots Bravo ( edit Lara 
) did not have and none of the technical deficiencies?
And to sum it Kohli is a better batsman than Bravo ( edit Lara )?
2015-08-18 18:34:11
In reply to Devin
Kholi is a good player but nowhere near the class of Brian Lara.
2015-08-18 18:41:33
You know I don't think I need to wait on this one. Your comment is good enough
Kohli has more shots, he's more fluent in his stroke play, and he doesn’t wait for the spinner or medium pacer to come into the attack to get stuck in.
So why does Kohli not have what Lara has to show for it?
Kohli Test Career after 62 inns - 46 average, 53SR, 21 50s/100s, 4NO, 169HS
Lara Test Career after 61 inns - 55.49 average, 65SR, 24 50s/100s, 2NOs, 375HS
On top of that he has more than one HS higher than Kohli of 277 and 171.
Oh and I know you like to use away as a crutch so:
Kohli - 44 avg @ 55.8, 12 50s/100s, 169HS
Lara - 50 avg @ 64, 13 50s/100s (in less matches), 277HS
So is Kohli a better batsman than Lara?
What do the numbers say?
So would you explain how Kohli is a better batsman than Lara but is miles short in the accomplishment department? Being a better player is not only about looking the part.
2015-08-18 19:13:17
In reply to nick2020
So why does Kohli not have what Lara has to show for it?
I wasn't aware that Kohli had retired. What does the lead question of this thread ask?
People here have had lengthy and numerous debates about Lara and Hooper's batting in terms of stroke play, aesthetic, ease at the crease, etc etc.
Are there any stats Hooper has that are comparable to Lara's?
The same way you can post those stats, I can also show you that Kohli averages waaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyy more in New Zealand, South Africa and Australia.
2015-08-18 19:17:16
In reply to Cornfused
McGrath? There is a video of McGrath tormenting the shit out of Lara on youtube. That video is 21 minutes long. Don't make me have to post Lara's actual scores down under in Australia, because as I've said repeatedly, they are quite revealing, and not in a good way.
Gillespie was a very good bowler, not great. And Kallis certainly wasn't anywhere near being a great bowler.
2015-08-18 19:18:13
In reply to Devin
BTW from 1996-2001, Lara played 43 Test matches(almost 1/3 of his career), and averaged 40.24 or thereabouts. Kohli hasn't accomplished that either.
2015-08-18 19:27:03
In reply to nick2020
A few innings earlier, Lara was averaging 60+ in Test cricket, he was never able to get back to that mark, and ended with an average under 53.
Are Hashim Amla and AB De Villiers comparable to Lara?
Amla was averaging 49.95 at a comparable stage, and De Villiers was averaging 45.07.
Amla currently averages 52.48 and De Villiers 52.09.
2015-08-18 19:28:23
In reply to Devin
I wasn't aware that Kohli had retired. What does the lead question of this thread ask?
I used the same number of matches. It would be unfair to compare a player who has matured fully to one who has a bright career ahead of him.
So stop the deflection.
Kohli in his career vs Lara at the same point of his career.
2015-08-18 19:30:24
My interpretation of the question is that the lead poster is referring to batsmanship, and if that's the case, then I guess it's subjective. Everyone sees what they want to, and everyone has their opinion.
No one is willing to dispute that Kohli has a far superior legside/onside game, or that Lara rarely played the straight/ondrive. I maintain that Kohli has more shots in the kitty, and he's more aesthetically pleasing. Lara had all the flair in the world when he drove through the covers, no foot movement, but a big backlift and a ton of flair.
Kohli combines better technique and perhaps not as much flair, but is still far more pleasing to the eye.
2015-08-18 19:31:16
In reply to Devin
Are Hashim Amla and AB De Villiers comparable to Lara?
You know Devin...
In your quest to hold to an agenda you disgrace yourself.
I will bow out.
2015-08-18 19:32:53
In reply to Devin
My interpretation of the question is that the lead poster is referring to batsmanship, and if that's the case, then I guess it's subjective.
You still have not explained why Lara is so much more accomplished than Kohli in the same career (62 inns) despite Kohli being a better batsman.
Can you explain this?
2015-08-18 19:35:46
In reply to nick2020
When did I say Kohli was a better batsman?
2015-08-18 19:38:44
In reply to nick2020
Again, you love numbers, but don't really seem to understand them.
People who generally start very strong, don't usually end there, that's why I'm intrigued where Root and Smith will end up.
People who start a little more sedately, or struggle early on, but end up being great, show noticeable improvement as their career progresses. I prefer the latter.
As I said, Lara once averaged 60 in Test Cricket after a substantial amount of matches.
Later on in his career, he barely averaged 40 over a five year period and 43 matches.
2015-08-18 19:42:09
Sangakkara was averaging 45.44 after 63 innings. 11 years later and he's averaging 57.71.
2015-08-18 19:44:48
bat better than who????
2015-08-18 20:40:46
In reply to Devin
So in the face of having an incomplete career you have to use an equal comparison.
And that equal comparison is Kohli in his first 62 inns and Lara in his first 62 inns.
That is really so simple and obvious that ....
So until Kohli has had a complete career we can only use what we have.
For all we know Kohli could go downhill from here. 
2015-08-18 20:42:33
In reply to Devin
When did I say Kohli was a better batsman?
I could have waited for you to say such but your response is pretty clear.
However, I am very confident that your response would remain unchanged even if asked again so I can ask:
Is Kohli a better batsman than Lara?
2015-08-19 01:02:00
In reply to nick2020
Yes
In an opium induced dream.
2015-08-19 01:23:54
In reply to Devin
You talking about this Brian Lara?
Nah man yuh lost meh dey bro
2015-08-19 01:25:23
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Devin leh meh show yuh how Lara used to deal with legendary bowlers
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2015-08-19 08:26:05
just to clarify, I meant batting in terms of putting up runs on the board, rescuing his team, milking the bowling etc. So all facets of batting.
2015-08-19 09:59:02
In reply to WI_cricfan
Kohli may end up a great cricketer but comparisons against Lara at this stage is pointless. Kohli needs to be compared to Root, Smith, Williamson then Amla and De Villiers, and after that he may still not enter the conversation to compare to Lara. When you realize that Ponting didnt enter the conversation with Lara and TenD (even tho he deserved to be) you will realize how far Kohli has to go before he should even be mentioned there.
All that said he is an exciting cricketer to watch. And has the arrogance necessary to become a great player
2015-08-19 20:40:05
In reply to Jabari18
You ain notice... Devin abandon de thread.
2015-08-19 20:44:07
In reply to imusic
devin is not a crab
it's a slug
it's a slug
The thread need some salt then, the elders used salt to get rid of slugs.
2015-08-19 23:12:52
In reply to nick2020
Devin is a good sport. He takes his licks with grace unlike sheikh n surya
2015-08-20 20:38:48
Compared to Lara, Kohli is a big stinking SHITTONG!
2015-08-20 22:08:57
In reply to Jabari18
Devin is a good sport.
You sure? De man been posting in his spin bowling thread but long exit this this. And the two threads right next to each other.
Man listed a bunch of attributes to batting and Lara in he mind draw in one and get beat (and sometimes badly) in de rest. And he also harp on Lara fault(s).
Kohli has never scored a double nor even sniff one like SPD Smith.
Man average stuck in the mid 40s after 62 inns.
This is the definition of fanboyism.
2015-08-20 22:56:24
In reply to Jabari18
good points
2015-08-20 23:00:53
In reply to Jabari18
Well said.
2015-08-23 19:38:34
Steups allyuh worrying wid dat mad man?lol..
2015-08-23 20:44:04
I thought off and on side scoring included scoring behind the wicket as well. Would you care to compare Kohli's sweeps with Brian's or for that matter, Brian's piercing of the gully/point/slip corridor consistently to the point that Stuart Mcgill swore that those were all "edges"? 
..
Don't start an experiment if you know what result you want to manufacture already.. That would be a farce..
Brian's 153 in Sharjah against Waqar gives you a display of what you call his 'non-existent' straight drives? Now it would be good to receive a response without expletives or abuses
2015-08-24 22:15:08
In reply to aswinkumaran
Brian's 153 in Sharjah against Waqar gives you a display of what you call his 'non-existent' straight drives? Now it would be good to receive a response without expletives or abuses
Bruh.... fuh ah supposedly intelligent fella, Devin's comment about Lara not straight-driving is one of de most ignorant tings TriniD has ever heard.
2015-08-30 08:09:39
Change yer screen name, it isn't intriguing, funny, etc. U are like CMG, when u blokes are bored, u just try to make up an eristic thread. Anyway, im still yer fren, k?
2015-08-30 10:31:47
wait are we still talking about this Brian Charles Lara?
Ah still can't believe the thread starter serious eh
2015-08-30 12:13:21
In reply to problemjay
wait are we still talking about this Brian Charles Lara?
Ah still can't believe the thread starter serious eh
Ah still can't believe the thread starter serious eh
Well apparently you and everyone else who dignified this thread one way or the other are contributing. I am amazed that peeps actually commented on this thread.. .I am only doing so b/c I want to put a stop all further comments.
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