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CaribbeanCricket.com 2015-08-23 11:46:38 

It has become the modern equivalent of a long-forgotten timeless Test.

It is ten months since West Indies players, disgruntled over terms of their contracts, packed their kit bags and prematurely ended their scheduled tour of India.

Stating that the West Indies Cricket Board had given it "a binding commitment" for nine matches to be played, an angry BCCI presented it with an itemised compensation claim for US$41.97 million for its "unilateral cancellation" of the series. It covered the loss of media rights fees; title, team, kit and stadia sponsorships; and ticket revenue.

For an organisation advised in the last annual report of its auditors that "the existence of a material uncertainty may cast significant doubt about the board's ability to continue as a going concern", it was a clearly impossible ultimatum.

In a letter to the BCCI proposing what it called "a grand settlement", secretary-general Irwin Larocque of Caricom, the association of 15 Caribbean governments, reiterated the point. "I should let you know that the reality is that the WICB is on the verge of insolvency and the BCCI claim simply cannot be met in whole or in part," he wrote, adding that the Caricom governments "do not intend to allocate any financial resources to this resolution".

 

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POINT 2015-08-23 12:41:53 

In reply to CaribbeanCricket.com

I am pleased that the Regional Governments are not going to help the
WICB in this Crass Stupidity on the part of the WICB :


LET THE PEOPLE IN THE WICB

FALL ON THEIR ON THEIR OWN SWORDS .



Better yet let the WICB ask the International Cricket Cabal pay the
money ; it has allowed the WICB to
become a Rogue Cricket Board .

I find it interesting that the ICC
can impose discipline on the USA
Cricket Association , but has left
the WICB to do as it pleases . Something just aint right with this scenario .

 
camos 2015-08-23 14:12:02 

My information from independent, dependable contacts in India is that the BCCI is unwilling to accept West Indies minus their hugely popular, charismatic IPL stars, Bravo and Pollard. A weakened team without them would not interest the public; the likelihood is that matches aimed at writing off some of the claim would, instead, be run at a loss.




so there is the real motive for Simmons wanting to talk to Bravo!
lol

Cozier just exposed Simmons and the WICB.

 
dayne 2015-08-23 14:19:25 

The Caricom Body should try to force new WICB elections and cut down on Board positions.

 
camos 2015-08-23 14:22:36 

In reply to dayne

why is the number of board positions a problem,you have organizations with 21 and 39 board members functioning quite efficiently?

 
Drapsey 2015-08-23 14:52:45 

So, Hindia all set to bribe the West Indies into bringing back the two some consider to be the ringleaders in the abandonment of the referenced tour?

Bribery, isn't that a 'federal' offence?

Let's watch and see whether Cameron will be (deservedly) hauled away in chains.

 
Emir 2015-08-23 15:11:56 

In reply to POINT

Agreed.

I would prefer if the WICB dies. In fact, given we are not in the CT- it is, as if, we are already dead.

If the WICB were to disappear, a new body with qualified people and a different governance structure will rise- it is this that will once again resurrect WI.

The WICB in its current form must go. Notice hoe the WICB CEO and president speaks-they use political language, sometimes academic- this tells you their mindset- ome of a politician or an aacademic- two sets of people that historically has had no accountability for production and results.

We need them sounding like corporate free enterprise leaders.

 
Pacy 2015-08-23 15:21:44 

In reply to Drapsey

Some might consider them as the ring leaders but the committee identified to evaluate had broken down the issue and blames the entire team, WICB and wipa. That would have more weight-age than someone considering anything

 
Controversy 2015-08-23 17:12:13 

Let the other spiteful minds and islands continue to victimize TT players..

They will face certain defeat..

God don't sleep... Play the best players...

 
POINT 2015-08-23 17:18:55 

In reply to camos

That sounds plausible to me ; It also seems that Cozier has got religion . I
hope that he is not going to return
being a Backslider .

 
POINT 2015-08-23 17:30:52 

In reply to dayne

I agree with cutting down the number of Big Wigs . However leaving those remaining in place is going to be like Spinning a Top in Mud .

There must be very serious Structural
Changes in the governance of Cricket in the Region . Everything must be restructured . The WICB ; the Regional
Boards & Operations at Factory Road .
No Stone must be left unturned .

My position , backed up by facts is that while Bangladesh & Zimbabwe have progressed , WE have Regressed , so
they all must be removed .

Let me again state that the ICC have bluntly refused to admonish them , so
let the International Cricket Cabal
pay the money . BTW , the ICC as always spouted that Governments must not intervene in Cricket .

That being the case let the Regional Governments comply with the International Cricket Cabal's request
and not take Taxpayers money and give
it to the Worst International Cricket Board in the World , aka the WICB .

 
POINT 2015-08-23 17:38:48 

In reply to Emir

I agree with what you have stated . The
WICB talks about itself as being a Private Entity , but it aint own any Stadia in the Region , when International Teams come to the Region , it is the Regional Governments Police ,etc looking after their safety , because the WICB aint own a Police Force .

So when they state that the WICB is
a Private Entity that is not exactly
True . Cricket cannot be played in the Region if the Regional Governments denies Stadia owned by the Governments ,to the WICB .

 
dayne 2015-08-23 22:32:12 

In reply to camos
The WICB is close to bankruptcy, it could be in their best interest to tighten up their operation. If they are ineffective with the present staff, how much worst could they be if they lose a few officials and save some expenses.

 
POINT 2015-08-23 23:59:37 

In reply to dayne

With all due respect , When you have
Cancer at stage 4 , the only alternative is Surgery . The people in the governance of Cricket in the Region , have to go .

This all came about because of a salary dispute between the WICB & its Players . Essentially The WICB decided to take some of the Senior Players money to help fund the salaries of the Regional Players .

Now this dispute started prior to the first match in India . The BCCI was
well aware of this dispute and coaxed
the Players to play matches , the Players complied , and expected that
the matter would be settled .

When this did not happen , they stopped playing , and the WICB pulled the Plug on the Tour , which could have been settled amicably if the
Players were given the salaries they expected .

The Players are not empowered to cancel any Tour , that power resides in the WICB . The BCCI is well aware of this fact , and in its proposed suit , it did not mention the names of any of the Players .

It must be stated that for years the WICB has had a notorious habit of having Public Spats with its Employees always at the start or early when the Players are on Tour .

Perhaps the people in the governance of Cricket in the Region believe that this is a good motivational tool , despite the fact that it has never worked that way .

Imagine it took a Commission , chosen by the WICB , to tell the WICB that Players must be paid in a Timely manner ; apparently it had no idea
that this should be standard procedure .

to be continued .

 
POINT 2015-08-24 00:27:28 

Frankly , in my opinion , this Fracas
could have been avoided , but as usual
the WICB was hell bent on making the Players , as it is its habitual practice ,the Villains of the Piece .

ALL this because the WICB wanted to take some of the money that the Players
were accustomed getting to defray the cost of paying the Regional Players .

It decided to pull the plug on the
Tour leaving the BCCI with a mountain of debt . I have no idea what the Hell they were thinking , but cancelling the Tour , definitely demonstrated that the people in the WICB , apart from very Poor Judgement ; are utterly devoid of Business Acumen .

When every thing is distilled , the
WICB cancelled the Tour because it was more important to it , to take
some of the money from the International Players to fund the
Regional Players ; Rather than settling the matter ; and continuing
the Tour .

By cancelling the Tour , the WICB left the BCCI in very serious financial straits . Remember , the BCCI was the only real friend the WICB had in the ICC . My take is that
pulling the plug on the Tour was sheer Madness .

So for their excellent work both Cameron & Hinds were reelected to their Posts unopposed . Obvious what
happened had the support of all the Members of the WICB .

The aftermath of all this intrigue is
that many of the Senior Players are in Limbo , the Regional Players are
being paid ; WIPA is now a Branch of the WICB , and the WICB now faces a
potential lawsuit of 42 million dollars .

SO THE REAL QUESTION IS THIS ;

WAS THE CANCELLATION OF THE TOUR

REALLY WORTH THE EMBARRASSMENT AND

A POTENTIAL LAWSUIT OF 42 MILLION

DOLLARS ???

 
Controversy 2015-08-24 01:43:38 

Point is one guy on here that actually has cricket at heart and make sense..

He's not afraid to call a spade a spade..

I want to see the best players on the pitch... Same as point and many others who love West Indies cricket..

People who claim West Indies cricket and support the tyranny .. Don't love our cricket

 
POINT 2015-08-24 09:10:52 

In reply to Controversy

Thank You for your kind words , those in the governance of Cricket in the Region in a nutshell have been :

PENNY WISE & 42 MILLION

DOLLARS FOOLISH .

It would be nice if they are asked at
the Town Hall Meetings , was it
really worth , refusing to meet with the Players ; banning the Senior Players ; making WIPA a Branch of the
WICB .

Then cancelling the Tour that was in
Progress ; costing your Host India
utter embarrassment , and serious
financial losses of revenue .

They did this with the full knowledge
and understanding that India was the only friend that they had . Serious
People do not do things like that .

The Sports Journalist in the Region
failed to state that their actions were Reckless , because they refused
to understand the gravity of the situation that would ensue by the Cancellation of the Tour .

It also proved beyond the shadow of a doubt that most of them , if not all of them have absolutely no Business Acumen . If they did ,
then they allowed , their Arrogance & Contemptuousness to cloud what little
reasoning they have .

 
POINT 2015-08-24 12:29:22 

In reply to CaribbeanCricket.com

I don't believe that Cozier is a Stupid
person , but his assertion that the
Players cancelled the Indian Tour is preposterous . The Players are not empowered to Cancel any Tour . That
power resides in the WICB .

It was the duty of the WICB to send
representation to India and have a meeting with the Players to settle
the matter . The players went to India under the assumption that their
salaries were not changed from what
they were previously paid .

The very fact that the WICB bluntly refused to meet with the Players ; and informed the BCCI that it would send a replacement Team , this was
unacceptable to the BCCI .

The WICB then cancelled the Tour .
Cozier unfortunately , would like us
to believe that the Players were empowered to cancel the Tour . That is a myth .

In this Saga the behaviour of the WICB , in my opinion was Reckless ;
because it never took into consideration the financial repercussions that the BCCI faced .
This I will insist, informs me that those in the WICB lack Business Acumen .

 
Kay 2015-08-24 12:42:25 

In reply to POINT

Here is a lil something for you to take note of from a famous writer:

“Say all you have to say in the fewest possible words, or your reader will be sure to skip them, and in the plainest possible words or he will certainly misunderstand them.”
John Ruskin

 
jacksprat 2015-08-24 13:22:06 

In reply to Kay

Or as Shakespeare wrote:

"Therefore, since brevity is the soul of wit,

And tediousness the limbs and outward flourishes....."

 
POINT 2015-08-24 14:44:27 

If facts are described as being Tediousness ; I plead guilty . All I
want my Critics to do is to factually dispute what I state . If you cannot do that , it informs me that you are simply trying to deflect what I state .

 
doublecentury 2015-08-24 18:26:05 

I thought it was a well established fact that the tour was cancelled while the players were actually playing the fourth ODI.certainly they said they would go home if there was no renegotiation of terms. But it was WICb who confirmed they would NOT negotiate and cancelled the tour. It was the BCCI secretary who had persuaded the players to continue in the hope the WICB would deal with the issue.

Only a dimwit would blame Bravo and Pollard solely. What was Pollards role anyway other than a player who agreed?

 
POINT 2015-08-24 19:01:01 

In reply to doublecentury

The Sports Journalists in the Region ignored that fact , because they have
always supported the WICB , and blasted
the Players ; so I am not surprised .

The WICB got all their Ducks in a Row , First they docked the Touring Players
Salaries to facilitate paying the Regional Players .

They knew how the Players in India would react to their scheme ; which by the way included making WIPA a Branch of the WICB . This was engineered by the President of the WICB Dave Cameron & the President of WIPA Wavell Hinds .

Obviously this scheme had the backing of the Whole Board . Now with the Regional Players fully on Board with this scheme , they had the numbers to out vote the Players who were in India .

It made no sense for the Senior Players in India on returning to remain in WIPA , because the interests of the Senior Players converge with the Regional Players , and in some instances diverge .

But in their euphoria , of having all their Ducks lined up in a row , they
did not count on the BCCI proposing to sue them for 42 million dollars .
That in my opinion was exceedingly Stupid .

So currently; ostensibly they are satisfied with their Schemes , but that proposed lawsuit by the BCCI aint going away . So much for the People in the WICB's Business Acumen .

As I have stated elsewhere in this
Forum ; they are Penny Wise & 42 million Dollars Foolish .

 
Kay 2015-08-24 19:36:15 

In reply to POINT

All I want my Critics to do is to factually dispute what I state

No one is disputing what you say...it is the effort you expend in saying it. You keep belaboring the same POINT!!!

Carpal tunnel syndrome can result from too much typing...be careful

 
Controversy 2015-08-24 21:15:49 

In reply to Kay

so how about cameron and the wicb, aren't you tired of hearing them spout rubbish year after year, while our regional side disappears into oblivion?

 
POINT 2015-08-24 21:37:00 

In reply to Controversy

You really should not bother responding to people of Kay's Ilk ; They are either paid or unpaid agents of the Worst International Cricket Board in the World , aka the WICB .

Their Job is to defend the
indefensible actions of the WICB .
Kay joined this Forum on the 1st of
February 2015 .

Always when the WICB is in trouble
people who are sympathetic to the WICB come out of the woodwork & show up in this Forum .

 
BenGman 2015-08-25 09:15:05 

In reply to POINT

If facts are described as being Tediousness ; I plead guilty . All I
want my Critics to do is to factually dispute what I state . If you cannot do that , it informs me that you are simply trying to deflect what I state .


This is probably the only post from you that I've read in its entirety, even in this thread. Though I usually like your opinions, from the tidbits I get when others summarise you!

 
Kay 2015-08-25 10:56:04 

In reply to BenGman

Ohhhh Lordie!!! smile

 
POINT 2015-08-27 09:48:19 

In reply to BenGman

Perhaps that is due to the fact that You , like them have a learning disability . To publicly state that
you glean what I write from what
others summarize what I write , means
that You are obviously mentally challenged .


I therefore am sympathetic to your
disability , since YOU ,like them ,
, are unable to refute what I state ; especially when you factually refuse to read & understand what I write .
Now run along you Troglodyte .

BTW , persons with your disability , may be prone to use foul language , let me state that if you do that , then whatever you express will be mutual .