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Simmons Greatest Contribution
Chally1
2015-10-07 13:55:19
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Tony Fraser
Published:
Monday, October 5, 2015
If Phil Simmons is correct in his estimation that there was outside influence in the non-selection of Dwayne Bravo and Keiron Pollard for the tour of Sri Lanka, then he has brought to public attention the much-lacking transparency and honesty in the organisation and management of West Indies cricket.
If so, then West Indian society must not allow Simmons to pay the price for our enlightenment.
Perhaps in the long-run, this whistle blowing act of the former hard-hitting allrounder could be the impetus upon which the re-formulation of West Indies cricket could be based.
We must put into perspective what Simmons has done. All over the world in government, in sports (check Fifa) at the corporate level and in all forms of institutional activity and engagement the desire is for greater transparency and high-quality governance.
The financial crash in the USA and Europe had a large measure of deceit, deception and lack of transparency behind it. The sudden death of many of the largest financial agencies in the world continues to inflict brutal financial blows on whole economies and individuals. If only there was a whistle-blower willing to tell the world of the double dealings, greed and incompetence of corporate financial executives much of what has happened (2008-2015) would have been avoided.
How then could it be that Simmons could have been wrong for blowing the whistle on conniving and deceit between the West Indies Cricket Board led by president Dave Cameron and three supposedly responsible former players, one of them a distinguished product of West Indian cricket civilisation?
Moreover, the act of deceit is compounded by the fact that Cameron has said (vowed almost) on several occasions that he and the board have nothing to do with team selection and usually follow the advice of the selectors. Question is why break that solemn avowal on non-interference?
Clive Lloyd, one of the greatest figures in the 80-year history of West Indian cricket, in criticising Simmons method of going public, said to the effect that this could have been handled in another way. Which way Mr Lloyd? How would it have helped to cover-up serious wrong-doing by the board?
Would it have been by talking about this matter of interference behind closed doors, over a drink with the President? How and to what end would honesty and transparency have been achieved? What is the record of achievement of keeping quiet about such matters?
What is so wrong with the coach reporting to the West Indian people, the owners of West Indian cricket, on this betrayal of the trust given to Cameron and the board? The reality is that maintaining the status quo through silence will not advance the resurgence and development of West Indian cricket.
However, if for the sake of argument we want to say that Simmons must pay for going against protocol and bringing damage to West Indies cricket, there must be fairness and equity in meting out punishment to those who offend against West Indian cricket.
Let us examine the record. No one, and no group of people, administrators, players, the West Indian public, has committed a more potentially fatal attack on our cricket than Dave Cameron and his board. They collectively have put West Indian cricket in debt to the value of US$42 million.
It is Cameron and his board who sent a West Indian team on tour to India in October last without agreed-to contracts with the players and the players association (WIPA). In any other organisation, commercial and otherwise, such a CEO/President would have been fired on the spot and or made to pay out of his own pocket the indebted sum.
Instead, Cameron and his board were free to manipulate the recent elections to the WI board to have them returned to office by the majority of national boards around the region. And that has been done without Cameron and his board coming up with one solid proposal as to how the board is to repay the debt to the BCCI. Instead, West Indian civilisation is made to take on the role of mendicants begging please for debt forgiveness. Where is the equity of achievement here?
Where is the equity of treatment of the board having removed three of the most significant commentators on West Indian cricket, Tony Cozier, Reds Pereira and Michael Holding, from representing the West Indian perspective on live broadcasts of our cricket?
Undoubtedly, the non-selection of Bravo and Pollard by the WICB big papies is direct revenge against the players for showing the incompetence and ill-will of Cameron and his board. First, the non-selection of the Bravo and those seen as the ring leaders for the World Cup, the removal of Bravo as captain, the removal of Denesh Ramdin as captain of the Test team and now the dropping of the two allrounders.
How do we stack-up the positive contributions of the Cameron board at the international level against its negatives? What are these positive contributions? Former President of the WICB, Pat Rousseau wrote in some detail about the spineless capitulation of Cameron and the WICB to the objective of the International Cricket Conference to having England, Australia and India as the imperial rulers of world cricket, almost into perpetuity.
This could be Phil Simmons greatest contribution to West Indian cricket. West Indians and West Indian institutions must arise or be rolled over by this crew.
Disciple
2015-10-07 15:59:37
Good read by Fraser there. We need ppl with a backbone to stand up to these corrupt mofos. Clive Lloyd and the other selectors come across as yes men looking to eat ah food.
POINT
2015-10-07 17:09:26
WELL DONE TONY FRASER !!!!!!
Tony Fraser , is a well qualified Journalist who lives in the Region , and has always displayed that he is
endowed with the Testicular Fortitude
to state his opinion , unlike some of the Sacred Scribes in the Region , who
hide by only citing what others state ,but are afraid to express their own
opinions .
I strongly am of the opinion that their Timidity has emboldened the
People in the WICBC to engage in perpetual Charades , with the full knowledge & understanding that the Sacred Scribes will by their silence tacitly agree with the WICBC .
Apart from a few persons , most of the Criticisms in Regional Newspapers comes generally come from an Unknown Staffer .
Chrissy
2015-10-08 08:53:17
In reply to Chally1
Well done Tony
WI_cricfan
2015-10-08 09:29:54
If Phil Simmons is INCORRECT in his estimation that there was outside influence in the non-selection of Dwayne Bravo and Keiron Pollard for the tour of Sri Lanka, then he has ...........
fill in the blank
Commie
2015-10-08 12:18:02
More pontificating.
You dont make promises to players ahead of a process that you dont control.
Simples.
Kay
2015-10-08 12:23:56
In reply to Commie
Really simple... can't understand all the hullabaloo
POINT
2015-10-08 13:28:26
Some of us have selective Memories . It was promised that there would be NO
VICTIMIZATION OF PLAYERS .
The WICBC has obviously reneged on this
despite the Public utterances of the
Supreme Emperor Cameron . But then I
suppose that was just a Charade .
One can always count on the
Sycophants of the WICB to come here and defend the indefensible . The gist is this , if it walks like a Duck , and Quacks like a Duck , it surely aint a Donkey .
Commie
2015-10-08 16:38:53
In reply to Kay
Tony Fraser was apparently in absentia when Joey Carew for his entire career as a selector meddled in the selection process at every opportunity.
Anyone remember Daryl Browne ? Anyone remember when Carew and Greenidge went on regional media and claimed Hooper was unfit whilst he was at Albion scoring a century whilst the CHAIRMAN OF SELECTORS Viv richards watched only to be called by Wes Hall to be told that Hooper was stripped of the captaincy for Lara because he wasnt fit ?
Reds wrote about it in his book if y'all want the excerpt. Viv btw didnt go in the regional media cowbawling even when the circumstances were fucking strange. The head of selectors is at a game watching a man score a century and take wickets whilst his other two counterparts in media saying the man knees gone. He didnt of course because he was outvoted !
Or what about when Ken Gordon refused the recommendation of Sarwan to captain the WC 2007 WI team from the SELECTORS, and had a late night whip round to name an alternative captain by subterfuge. You want that one ?
In all of those situations, the one constant was that MAJORITY ruled. There was always politicking and the Trini media were always conveniently quiet when the chips fell on their side of the fence.
Phil Simmons behaved like an ass. He and Lloyd put their foot down and asked for the head of Chanderpaul, , and they got it. Chanderpaul was denied a further opportunity to say goodbye on the field. Great. You got your way.
He then goes ahead and gives a committment to Bravo and Pollard that they will be picked. Then he complains that the process showed interference. On form alone Pollard shouldnt be a sure pick in any form of cricket outside T20, where he IS and was selected. Bravo ? You can say he is in good form but he represents an old guard and if the selectors change their mind because the WICB whispers to them...so what.
Forking Phil Simmons told Chanderpaul BEFORE the selectors met that he should retire, via WHATSAPP. Again, because he had taken in front and gotten an assurance that he wouldnt be picked. Same knife stick goat....tickle Phil.
A set of more insular forgetful hypocrite fuckries people you cannot get than the set of people who want to now play like this is some precedence OR even that it breaks some contractual clause.
It isnt. Phil got fucked by the same implements he used to fuck Chanderpaul.
imusic
2015-10-08 17:08:05
The gutter always comes to the fore. Just need enough time...
Commie
2015-10-08 17:33:22
Brucie
2015-10-08 17:37:51
In reply to Commie
Tony Fraser was apparently in absentia when Joey Carew for his entire career as a selector meddled in the selection process at every opportunity.
And two wrongs make a....?
Commie
2015-10-08 17:43:42
In reply to Brucie
And two wrongs make a....?
Two things.
The WICB by laws permit them to have the final say in any selection and secondly majority always rules. I mentioned it above but it wasnt DUE PROCESS for Phil to be telling Chanderpaul that essentially before the side was named that he wouldnt pick him. However there is no moral clause in WI Cricket.
Was that a wrong ? Or a right ?
Simmons hasnt got a contractual leg to stand on. In the end, that is all that matters. He got on pissy because he presented a check he didnt have the cash for, and when it bounced he 'get on'.
POINT
2015-10-08 18:30:46
The WICBC reneged on its statement , when it stated that there would be no victimization of any Players . Yet it has indulged in victimization . This
aint a figment of my imagination .
The Sycophants of the WICBC in this Forum love to indulge in a Holier than
thou attitude ; while ignoring stark
facts . They are as Slippery as those
they idolize .
The sad thing is that they and those they worship , have not yet realized
the severe damage the WICBC has done to Cricket in the Region . Sri Lanka
is now claiming that it is not making any money regarding the current Tour of our Team to Sri Lanka .
But that does not faze the WICBC & its Lemmings . They are going to pretend that this is a freaking mirage . Reality will soon hit them .
Kay
2015-10-08 19:36:02
In reply to POINT
The WICBC reneged on its statement , when it stated that there would be no victimization of any Players . Yet it has indulged in victimization . This aint a figment of my imagination .
You are an idiot!!! Period.
For there to be no victimization of players means that the same players who walked away from the tour of India should always play because if anyone of them is dropped it will constitute victimization. If they had included Pollard and Bravo and left out Samuels and Ramdin that will also be victimization since according to you it is what the WICB promised...
POINT
2015-10-08 20:05:01
In reply to Kay
You are apparently suffering from Dementia ; Simmons ; Holder ; and apparently Lloyd wanted Pollard & Bravo on the Team . Evidently this has escaped your Dementia riddled mind .
FYI , any uncouth language you may choose to make is mutual . Always when people of your ilk get desperate , they resort to being uncivil . You are a
typical example of that fact .
birdseye
2015-10-09 09:16:37
In reply to Commie
Tony Frazer cant be all things to all people at all times in all instances -------at least here he has proffer an opinion, a forward opinion, so let not persecute him for what he may not have done in the past. Maybe his cup has just runneth over
listening to opinions here for years some seem to have a bottom-less cup when it comes to tolerance for WICB misdeeds.
Commie
2015-10-09 09:39:15
In reply to birdseye
I am sorry but I find this naivety tantamount to wickedness.
Fraser and many people on this forum behave as if there was a principle attached to this whole event.
There wasnt. It was simply a breach of contract. This is no morality contest. The WICB have no morality when it comes to dealing with selections. It is about the politics of majority vote and who sides with who. Same way in politic people side with polar opposites to get their own way.
Simmons played that game in the Chanderpaul episode and in fact showed the very same trait that ended up causing his issues with this one. A lack of awareness. Back then, he told Chanderpaul that he best jump because he was going to be pushed. How could he know for sure when the voting dynamics could change ? He then dug his heels in with the WICB when they indicated they wanted Chanderpaul to play on for one last game. WHy ? Because he had already told Chanderpaul that decision as already made. This situation could have replicated itself except Chanderpaul only revealed the Whatsapps AFTER he was dropped.
Here again the same thing happened, except it blew up in his face. He told Pollard and Bravo that they were a shoe in when reality is ANYTHING can happen. The fact that he got away with it for the Chandy episode doesnt make it magically work everytime.
Fraser is behaving like any rara cheerleader.
A real journalist would lay out the platform rather than grab the flag colours and try to wrap a article around it.
birdseye
2015-10-09 10:51:56
Commie
2015-10-09 11:26:12
In reply to birdseye
Im not sure Simmons indicated he was some kind of hero so I am not blaming Simmons. He simply had a fit. Its those who interpret his actions as some kind of moment of clarity who I doubt. How does a outburst fuckup turn into a moment of calculated heroism ?
Accidental hero ?
As I have said many times before the whole selectors thing is outdated anyway. I disagree with Simmons desire to have those guys back but a coach should be allowed to live or die by his own soldiers. In the meantime he better know how to navigate the situation he put himself in.
jacksprat
2015-10-09 14:12:32
In reply to Commie
Tony Fraser was apparently in absentia when Joey Carew for his entire career as a selector meddled in the selection process at every opportunity.
Help me out here: how can a
selector "meddle" [intrude, interfere] in the
selection process?
Isn't that a contradiction in term?
Or are we using an alternate definition of the word "'meddle" ?
Commie
2015-10-09 14:14:37
In reply to jacksprat
Read the excerpt from Reds book and you will get how a selector can 'meddle'.
shivnotout
2015-10-09 17:21:53
In reply to Chally1
is good them get rd of he ass.he have a coach diplo.but he cant coach nobody but ireland.
see
camos
2015-10-09 18:20:59
In reply to Commie
no one saying management does not have that right, just lay it out clear for everyone to see, don't think Simmons is that dumb not to understand that if he was told.
openning
2015-10-09 19:23:46
In reply to shivnotout
What has a former players stats has to do with his coaching ability?