Will the WICB "shiv"? Shiv is making a huge statement here - 2 centuries in just the fourth round of the regional first class competition, out of ten rounds.
At the same time most of the other batsmen are struggling to achieve similar heights - consistently or even inconsistently. The only exception is J Hamilton, who seems to be maturing now. Alleyne has been a flash in the pan, despite the ooh's and aah's of his trigger-happy countrymen, and now young King has suddenly found himself being touted as the next big hope by his newfound fans!
I remember years ago when Bdos opening batsman Robin Bynoe continued to plunder regional bowling after a very brief stint in Test cricket, but the quality of batsmen at the time was so strong that no one even suggested that Bynoe should be recalled. The situation is much different today, tho.
If Shiv continues in this rich vein he will have to be recalled to the WI Test team should he declare an interest in doing so, or the WI Cricket Board will find itself once more scrambling for excuses over him. Shiv, without any doubt, will want to play Test cricket again!
Meanwhile, the Shiv haters must be sweating profusedly. How can this be? When will Shiv go away? Hahahaha!
Keep on batting, Shiv. I hope we see more centuries from your bat for years to come!
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When Push Come To "Shiv"
In reply to Norm
I think that you are trying to rile up the mob, not one of Alleyne countrymen have ask for his elevation to the test team.
By the way, Weekes and Walcott retired at 32 and 31, When the retired they were still the best players in the team.Dessie dominated the regional after he was dropped, Shiv is doing what all great test batsmen should do when they retire from the international scene.
Robin was a good opening batsman, had 2 tours to India, one at 18yo and the other at 28 yo , 2 test matches
In reply to tc1
Shiv is 42, you do realize that, don't you?
In reply to tc1
See you cutting and paste now to make a point but it still don't make sense. What does Weekes and Walcott has to do with Shiv's performance?
In reply to Norm
I am a Shiv fan but I don't think you should invest too heavily in his return.
You may have forgotten but his last 3-4 WI matches were not pretty.
In reply to Headley
Which of the current or recent WI batsmen had a "pretty last 3 - 4 WI matches"?
Naw - let's go back to the last 3 - 4 years ...
In reply to Norm
There are not many WI batsmen who have had a "pretty last 3 - 4 WI matches". The question is whether the reasons are the same.
I mentioned on another post yesterday that I was fortunate to see Shiv in 1994 when he made his debut. That was almost 23 years ago.
Shiv lost form after a phenomenal 4-5 years run and what did WI do? Dump him unceremoniously
What are the rules? Can he unretire and play that should be answered first before thinking if he should be in consideration.
In reply to Norm
Actually this is the fifth round of competition. If Shiv keeps up these numbers in the 2nd half then he must be considered for a test position. I believe the 2nd half of the season will separate the sheep from the goat.
In reply to voiceofreason
the headline is almost a pun
In reply to tc1
32 and 31 was old in those days....and they looked old...life expectancy was 65
In reply to Norm
Shiv can use his experience and ability to thrash regional bowlers...no surprise there, but his last few test innings agait more focused bowling reflects more on the gulf between our local standards and that of international.
I would predict that if...if...he is ever recalled, he will be subject to targeted hostility by any bowling attack he faces, as WI of old did to the team leadere.
Does Shiv really want to go back in the Lions den?
In reply to johndom90
where did he look susceptible to aggressive bowling?
created truth?
In reply to tc1
If shiv wants to come back into test cricket he would be coming back for one ting and one ting only
In reply to TheTrail
the same thing he was pushed away from
In reply to doosra
Almost indeed. Very clever by Norm...Almost Kaisoesque.
In reply to johndom90
And WHEN was he NOT targeted over the years?
In reply to Trail/ doosra
All WI greats were pushed, Sobers,Richards , Lara, Haynes
In reply to johnd
Does Shiv really want to go back in the Lions den?
Good question, I think not, he just wants the debate to continue. did he not officially retire?
In reply to Narper
Young Shiv was batting back then..he saw it big and hit it fat.
The first time I noticed a chink with Shiv was when Bret Lee felled
him sometime back
42 yr old Shiv will be exposed by the young Turks our there
This mamby pamby bowling in regional is a waste of time for preparing
batsmen for international duty, the fact that our pitiful batsmen cannot
emulate Shiv's batting at regional, is reason for even more concern about
the state of the game at home.
I can't see any real fan of Shiv projecting him back in the Test
team...no matter what he does at regional.
No I dont think he officially retired.
He was pushed, edged out, marginalized out...
just like many before him.
The treatment he got is the same that was meted out to many
who went before,and not Shivcentric, as many would suggest.
2008 Brett Lee bouncer at Sabina, which kept low.
Shiv ducked into it and was out for the count. It was the first time
I ever saw him in some bother against pace....genuine pace, and maybe
it was the first inkling of a chink in the armour.
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Safe to say everyone held their collective breath. Some say that Phil Simmons
was never the same batsman after his bouncer incident which was far worse than Shiv.
Maybe that bouncer incident still affected Simmons to want to come coach WI
In reply to johndom90
Dude post Shiv stats after that 2008 hit from Lee. It is part and parcel of the game, the best can lapse in concentration, it is human to err. Shiv has never been suspect against quick bowling. Actually, arguably he is one of the top WI batsmen against pace bowling.
In reply to Runs
Lara get knocked out by Akthar and was scared as a Trini and refused to bat again, Shiv on de odda hand, got up and threw punches!
In reply to WestDem
Shiv got up and made a century. Read about it here.
In reply to Runs
Dude...you asked a question ..i answerd it and qualified by saying it was the FIRST time i saw him in a botheragainst pace.
Post whatever stats you want....
In reply to tc1
When they did, their replacements, which included Cammie Smith, Sobers, Kanhai, Butcher, etc, inspired confidence. Today, Shiv's want-to-be replacements barely average 30, in first class cricket.
In reply to johndom90
Brian Close, after being recalled by England at 40+years of age, was pounded by Holding and company, but he was not specifically "targeted". All the other England batsmen were subjected to the same bowling too.
The difference between Close and Amiss, for example, was that Amiss was simply the better batsman. Close seemed to be held by the English as some sort of English "tough guy" talisman - which held no sway over the WI fast bowlers.
Should Shiv prove to be his typical rock-solid self, opposition teams would return to their previous strategy against him - leave him alone and pound the others!
In reply to johndom90
True WI fans want the best in the WI team ... and Shiv is showing that he is still the best batsman in the region - bar none.
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