Monarchies

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link black Joined: Feb 28, 2004
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11/12/17 11:26:31 AM 
Why does this ancient form of governing still exist today?

link mikesiva Joined: Jan 12, 2007
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11/12/17 11:33:06 AM 
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I ask that question every day I wake up in theUnited Kingdom.

link DAVE400 Joined: May 28, 2004
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11/12/17 11:36:14 AM 
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Because deep down we romanticize the benign dictator.

link bravos Joined: Oct 14, 2009
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11/12/17 11:41:43 AM 
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Because after god the king is next in line,and he must have gold,for it is written.

link DAVE400 Joined: May 28, 2004
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11/12/17 11:44:17 AM 
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There are very few free thinkers among us...democracy for the most part has been a myth...Kings no longer call themselves kings...

they are captains of industry...and like monarchies...they exercise power over the so-called elected leaders.

And everyone is happy...

Because, quite frankly, we live our lives despite the governments, not because of them.

link bravos Joined: Oct 14, 2009
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11/12/17 12:03:39 PM 
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Bingo!

link NineMiles Joined: Apr 23, 2007
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11/12/17 2:58:27 PM 
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I ask that question every day I wake up in theUnited Kingdom


You serious? Of all the things wrong in this world, this is what you wake up worrying about?? lol

BTW, she's still the monarch of Jamaica...perhaps that should worry you the most! razz

link black Joined: Feb 28, 2004
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11/12/17 3:48:00 PM 
The Saudi Monarchy is set up in such a way that the money gets siphoned at the top by all the princes.

The Saud dynasty has stolen hundreds of billions of dollars from the people.

link bravos Joined: Oct 14, 2009
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11/12/17 4:02:27 PM 
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It's a big family business...

**Puke!

link birdseye Joined: Mar 24, 2004
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11/13/17 12:06:47 AM 
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Why does this ancient form of governing still exist today?


Mnnnn – does that question suggests you having an existential crisis? ----
Ah well - maybe human are just as irrational today as they were at the beginning – whenever or wherever that was -----or – maybe everything in nature works according to laws ----are imperatives ---- what would the anthropologists say?
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link Norm Joined: Nov 28, 2002
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11/13/17 4:34:21 AM 
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Why does this ancient form of governing still exist today?

Ancient? If democracy is about voting, then what exists between elections? Temporary monarchies, no?

Some democratic countries have a clear separation of powers, but not all of them do.

link DonD Joined: Nov 29, 2002
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11/13/17 5:37:58 AM 
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Why does this ancient form of governing still exist today?


Because for the most part they work quite well. The British monarchy is without doubt the most famous and respected in the world. It is a constitutional monarchy and according to the 19th century English scholar Walter Bagehot, whose work on the English constitution is still consulted, its role is to be consulted, to encourage and to warn.This is probably why certain commonwealth countries eg. Canada, NZ Australia, Jamaica, Barbados Antigua etal are still monarchies. Norway, Denmark Netherlands are also const monarchies. Spain restored her monarchy a couple decades ago.

Absolute monarchies such as Saudia Arabia to a lesser extent Jordan and a few of the Sheikdoms and emirates provide stability.Of course, Vatican City is an absolute monarchical theocracy.

In truth, the most unstable and corrupt govts are to be found in some African and South American Republics. I believe in the dictum that if a certain form of govt works then keep it. It often take many years and a few revolutions to perfect a good Republican form of govt. My personal choice is a republican form of govt.

link Norm Joined: Nov 28, 2002
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11/13/17 5:54:27 AM 
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if a certain form of govt works then keep it.

The problem with that is that those in power (the government, usually) get to decide what to keep.

link black Joined: Feb 28, 2004
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11/13/17 8:09:33 AM 
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So you don't have a problem with these people that act like they were chosen by God to preside over nations and act like the money generated by that country is inherently theirs?

link SirGarny Joined: Nov 13, 2002
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11/13/17 2:37:24 PM 
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So you don't have a problem with these people that act like they were chosen by God to preside over nations and act like the money generated by that country is inherently theirs?


Unplayable! like a Patrick Patterson bouncer on the old Sabina Park pitch....

Sad part is BLACK...there are many educated black people who think along those lines.

Patrice Lamumba didn't think so...you saw how he ended up. cry sad sad

link SirGarny Joined: Nov 13, 2002
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11/13/17 2:50:28 PM 
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In truth, the most unstable and corrupt govts are to be found in some African and South American Republics.


Unstable ...yes...

Corruption is rampant in stable and unstable governments. You cited Saudi Arabia as a stable monarchy.

Absolute monarchies such as Saudia Arabia to a lesser extent Jordan and a few of the Sheikdoms and emirates provide stability.


Is there a more corrupt regime than the Saudi's?

I believe in the dictum that if a certain form of govt works then keep it.


Who or what determine the 'working' status of a government? On that basis, enslavement and colonization of Africa by European monarchs seem justified.

link SnoopDog Joined: Jan 24, 2004
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11/13/17 3:02:30 PM 
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Why does this ancient form of governing still exist today?


I guess it's because it's as ancient as our DNA. Human beings have a natural primordial desire to follow a strong leader who will offer them protection from outside and stability from the inside. It's the same with most mammalian species that are social. The alpha male/female will protect the group from threats from outside forces and also offer stability within that group insofar as everyone knows their place and status and follows it.

The hereditary aspect of it is unique to humans (as far as I know). That the child of the king/chief automatically inherits the position of the parent regardless of their ability to lead is where it conflicts with the modern concept of rewarding individuals with positions of power through individual merit and achievment.

Modern monarchies like that in Saudi Arabia is for all intents and purposes a totalitarian dictatorial regime. Constitutional monarchies like that in the UK are symbolic in that the monarch doesn't actually wield any real power. They are therefore the ultimate ROYAL FREELOADERS = FCUKING USELESS. lol

link granite Joined: Nov 1, 2013
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11/13/17 3:12:21 PM 
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What a shame the servants haven't poisoned all the Saudi family, and everyone else in the Palace that matters, poison the lot ah those over fed greedy buggers.

link NineMiles Joined: Apr 23, 2007
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11/13/17 3:25:20 PM 
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Constitutional monarchies like that in the UK are symbolic in that the monarch doesn't actually wield any real power. They are therefore the ultimate ROYAL FREELOADERS = FCUKING USELESS.


Couldn't agree more with you. The Frenchies had the right idea on how to deal with the freeloaders! lol

link Drapsey Joined: Dec 26, 2007
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11/13/17 3:35:56 PM 
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Monarchies go back to biblical times.

King David and King Soloman are indelible characters in our psyche.

Is this an underhanded method of 'advocating' the demise of the good book and its teachings?

link black Joined: Feb 28, 2004
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11/13/17 3:47:06 PM 
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Is this an underhanded method of 'advocating' the demise of the good book and its teachings?


No, it's an overhanded way of advocating for the demise of Monarchies. lol

link SnoopDog Joined: Jan 24, 2004
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11/13/17 3:53:41 PM 
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Is this an underhanded method of 'advocating' the demise of the good book and its teachings?


The good book and its teachings will endure for as long as humans yearn for peace, truth, and a rollicking good time. big grin

link black Joined: Feb 28, 2004
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11/13/17 4:23:07 PM 
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Those ancient Indians were some wicked fellas. lol lol lol

link XFactor Joined: Nov 5, 2005
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11/13/17 7:52:18 PM 
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Things go well when monarchical government is practiced in a good way, and conversely things go bad when it is practiced in an evil way. The same goes for anything under the sun.

link mikesiva Joined: Jan 12, 2007
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11/14/17 1:44:29 PM 
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Queen Lizzie is worth £500 million but unlike us commoners she is exempt from tax. She only volunteers to pay tax on £19 million of her fortune. Don't you have a problem with that level of inequality?

I think Jamaicans should follow the example of Guyana and Trinidad and replace the monarch as head of state by a president.

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