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Greatest batsman ever!

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openning 3/27/24, 6:15:52 PM
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debut: 11/13/02
43,929 runs

In reply to Arawak

I came to see Viv

I am married to a Richards, and my wife's uncle was Viv's dad, I keep far from speaking about him.
Brerzerk 3/27/24, 7:21:04 PM
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debut: 3/16/21
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In reply to openning

Still, when one digs into stats some interesting things come up.
Das why yuh have stats, lies and damned lies. Bradman was the greatest
but by how far? Analyze this fih mih pls. and explain the wide gap in the averages.

WI vs Oz '30-31
Bradman 6 inngs. 447 runs HS 223no avg 74.5
Headley 10 inngs 337runs HS 105 avg 37,3

Leh mi sih if you make conclusions by looking at numbers or stats.
Was The Don twice as good as Maas George, marginally, or: significantly so?
BeatDball 3/27/24, 7:54:11 PM
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debut: 7/20/14
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Seechy 3/27/24, 8:08:09 PM
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debut: 1/30/09
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Rajendra Chandrika and Kyle Hope.
WIForever 3/27/24, 8:31:44 PM
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debut: 6/29/10
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In reply to Brerzerk

Reports say Headley was better than Bradman on wet wickets and a more attractive batsman.

Statistically, the numbers don't lie, Bradman was overall better than Headley. Headley was not far behind though. Headley's average would be higher than it is had he not played in the 1954 series in his 40s. His sample size of 22 is small by todays standards. Adam Voges has a higher average than Headley from 20 tests. Is he better than Headley?

Bradman also played against South Africa which Headley did not. He made a high score of 299 against them. Scored 4 centuries in 4 tests in the 1932 series with 2 double centuries. South Africa was not a very good team in those days.

Australians at the time rated Archie Jackson a better bat than Bradman but he died at age 23 from tuberculosis.
openning 3/27/24, 8:33:40 PM
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debut: 11/13/02
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In reply to Brerzerk

I listened to MJ speaking of eras, he said it is hard to compare, because of various factors.
He went on to say, that the two best players before he joined the NBA were Magic and Larry Bird, he just wanted to be as good as the two.
Rules change from time to time.
Allan Iversen was asked by Shaq how many points would he be scoring, if he was playing today, with the rules so much different, he said about ten more points.
Bradman and Headley were the best of the eras played in.
The apartheid era makes me disregard any South African player during that time.
WIForever 3/27/24, 8:38:53 PM
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debut: 6/29/10
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Agreed. So many variances in conditions, equipment, training, etc..

I do believe batsman watched the ball closer before helmets though. It was also a follow the text book era for most of the Aussie, English. West Indies were the ones tearing that up..even today with T20 hitting.
Cricket_101 3/28/24, 1:21:44 PM
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debut: 2/15/11
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In reply to WestDem

Monty Lynch big grin
Jumpstart 3/28/24, 2:23:45 PM
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debut: 11/30/17
9,415 runs

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Don Bradman dominated the opponents he played against, he was the best of his era, nothing else needs to be said.

the same can be said of viv, barry richards, graeme poolock, brian lara, sobers etc.....they all ironically played against a much wider variety of opponents. I doh even think bradman even played against one afrikaner paceman in sa because they didn't or were overlooked in those days of SA cricket

the one series bradman was subjected to aggressive short pitched bowling, his average was a lot lower than 99
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openning 3/28/24, 2:52:01 PM
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debut: 11/13/02
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In reply to Jumpstart

People like you take a person's body of work and try to find the single negative, ignoring all his work.
After a player retires his body of work should be assessed, not one negative.
Jumpstart 3/28/24, 3:50:47 PM
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debut: 11/30/17
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In reply to openning
After a player retires his body of work should be assessed, not one negative.

i agree. which is why to compare him to viv, lara, tendulkar, sobers etc is absurd. You are comparing a dude who played in two countries to guys who have played in almost every country vs all types of attacks and conditions and after every major innovation in cricket came about. for example, in the 1930s, who knew about a four prong attack......up until the 1970s, people thought you needed a spinner to have a balanced attack. Ian Chappell and Clive Lloyd put paid to that theory. Who in the 1930s knew about reverse swing, or leg cutters(invented by Dennis Lillee)? the answer is not a soul. the ppl you're saying bradman was better than, they all faced those innovations and bowlers and conditions. bradman certainly was the best of his time.....of all time, that is a long stretch homie
openning 3/28/24, 4:14:59 PM
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debut: 11/13/02
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In reply to Jumpstart
It is the body of work of each player during their era.
Why bring up players of different eras?
With individual sports, you can look at gold medals, Golf majors, but it should always the body of work.
WestDem 3/29/24, 12:42:48 AM
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debut: 1/21/09
59,539 runs

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Bradman is a joke, he only played against the Royal subjects in the Medieval times… Sir Everton Weekes was the greatest until Kohli showed up!
Jumpstart 3/29/24, 12:54:06 AM
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