Quicks for the England tour

I am pencilling in Shamar Joseph and Jayden Seales as starters.

Roach, holder, alzari

I can't see either of those 3 not making the tour

In reply to conman

Sure they would be part of the touring party. However, if it were up to me I’d only be starting TWO of those three.

In reply to mikelegend

1. Alzarri
2. Shamar
3. Thorne
4. Seales
5. Greaves

Holder told them he's focusing on t20s... Let him continue with that. Roach days done.

In reply to conman

Why Roach? He's old and ineffective.

He’s been a great servant for WI cricket over the years and the spearhead of the attack for a lot of that time.

But he’s well past his sell date.

What’s the point in selecting him for England on this tour?

If you want a coach for the other bowlers. Have him as part of the support staff. But not as a player. He’s well past that now.

In reply to anthonyp

I agree with you and Imusic, but you both know that they’ll both be picked anyway. Holder should’ve been in Nepal with the A team sharpening his white ball skills. However, I think he’s already got assurance that he’s part of the WC squad…so why go to Nepal to fetch his own bags and be clouted around the park with his military medium stuff.

At this time, I would select

Joseph by 2
Holder
Thorne
Seales
Greaves

I say before that Roach is dunn.
I have been following his County games and he is not striking.
Holder will provide the stock bowler and mentor's role.

That is as today; however, Roach can gain form and start striking
at 5 wickets per game over the remainder of his county stint and challenge for a spot.

Holder and Greaves are also batsmen.

As far as starting 11.
Difficult to call at this time.

In reply to TanteMerle

Mayers has a better bowling record than Holder or Greaves and England would probably suit his style

Alzharri's record does not suggest automatic selection

My preferred area of discussion, the quicks

But for this tour party...not an easy selection. Holder & Roach will undoubtedly be in the conversation and as many would agree, it would not be a surprise to see their names in the team / squad, even though others may have more merit at this time. Roach was decent in Australia and is an on field mentor for Shamar and the other younger guys. Approaching 36, he is still fit enough.

Speaking of fitness, Jayden Seales is fit again and bowling well in England, taking county championship wickets and seemingly doing just about everything to stake his claim. I am taking him for sure. The slightly fuller length he bowls will be beneficial, patently.

Shamar Joseph is probably the first name on the team sheet. Not even up for discussion, the boy is special. PLEASE look after him (workload, financially...)

For me, it is a yes too for namesake Alzarri Joseph. Although, it is clear that he has played too much cricket in recent times. When rested, he bowls consistently quicker and is a genuine threat. I liked his stint as regional captain, he was positive. The move to be vice-captain of the West Indies test team is something I personally found to be a good step forward. The balance of rest and play needs adjustment, for Alzarri Joseph to be productive when it really matters.

Others that could be in the discussion are Phillip, Louis, Springer, John, Thorne & Tyson. Personally, I really liked the look of Isai Thorne and Gillon Tyson, who as a relative unknown, could be a surprise selection. The first few on this list are steady but I am not convinced that they have what it takes to be consistently troubling the batsmen at international level. The A team will surely have several of these names present when announced.

Kyle Mayers and Justin Greaves, as all-rounders, may well be in the chat too.

With the first test at Lords not due to start until the middle of July, the wickets will be a bit harder, skies less grey and temperature a bit warmer. These are all important factors that should assist the tour party. No thick wooly jumpers! It was no coincidence when England had the Windies over in April & May for past tours. They knew it would be uncomfortable for the tourists. This summer, I want the West Indies to bring the heat. England batsmen face seam, swing, medium plus all day every day. Bring back the pace like fire, chin music, sniff the leather, attack them in their own yard with a pace barrage and focus on slip catching like never before.

Shamar Joseph
Kemar Roach
Alzarri Joseph
Jayden Seales
Gillon Tyson / Isai Thorne

Shamar
Roach
Al-Jo
Seales
Holder

Roach probably finishes up in the next 12 months, he's a good player to have around these young lads with his experience and knowledge. How he's reinvented himself and gotten his career back on track is an achievement in itself.

If there was an upcoming A tour, Thorne, Louis and Phillip backed up by Springer would be my choice.

Roach
Seales
Joseph
S joseph
Are more likely the certainties in bowling
A jodeph has to step up and be the leader of the attack in red ball cricket his record his mediocre in test cricket

S joseph has to start all over and prove what happend in australia was not a fluke and one off like it has been for many west indians in the past a spectacular performance and then nothing after that

Roach i dont see him going much further after the tour he really looked past it in his one fc match for barbados

Why no mention of Ojay Shields? Majority of those being listed are medium pacers. Shields is genuinely fast and seems to be accurate also. He should be included in any A team tours because he need the work to continue to develop.

In reply to imusic

i dont see any indication that roach is not going to play, hes currently in england along with holder
both of these guys are needed for their experience alone

there will be a future one day without roach but i dont see it happening anytime soon, as a matter of fact him and alzari were the wicket takers in the first innings of the last Aus match,

so realistically, those 2 are already in the playing eleven, along with shemar, i cant see greaves playing ahead of holder in england, so he gets in, the question will be how do we fit in jayden, id say he gets sinclairs place if the conditions are suited, unless sinclair comes in as a batter, then that complicates things even more

In reply to anthonyp

you taking 2 untried pacers to england
no way against bazball

In reply to conman



You MUST be joking.

In reply to seaegg99


I totally agree!!! OJ needs conditioning and reps. Definitely looks a good prospect.

My problem with Kemar is his lack of competitive cricket before a series, we will see him improving for Surrey after the first three matches he played.
He works hard in the gym and in the nets, but it has been years since he played any type of cricket in the BCA program or any other cricket.
Jofra Archer plays cricket every time he is on the Island.
Working in the nets is good, you then have to bring it to your prep by playing.
Joe Root is playing county cricket, and James Anderson will be playing later.
James Anderson 'unlikely' to play for Lancashire before June

In reply to mikelegend

i like sinclair, but im realistic, as it stands he is still a bowler first then batter (i know he got good runs this FC season)
as long as moti is in the team he will be 12th man

In reply to conman


How did he bat against arguably the BEST bowling attack in the world in their conditions?

In reply to mikelegend
very well.....i'd put him in the lower middle order to assist hodge and da silva. technically, the guy is really good

In reply to mikelegend

he batted really well, he was positive and helped change the game.....kevin is one for the future, hopefully he is the player that we wanted Chase to be when he started

but right now, i dont know if thats what he'll be used for
kraig
tage
mckenzie
alick
hodge
holder/greaves
da silva

moti
roach
alzari
jayden

where u fitting in sinclair? he realistically is waiting for one of the batters to fail badly and swoop in, either hodge or mckenzie, with hodge its a 1 for 1 swap, with mckenzie the entire batting line up changes

In reply to Jumpstart



Precisely! Plus he can give you some overs of OFFSPIN, if necessary. I see him as a potential impact player in this current WI setup.

In reply to conman

No, Sinclair is clearly more batsman than bowler nowadays. His batting, over the past 12-18 months or so, has come along leaps and bounds.

In reply to conman

If Motie is playing(he should be) only ONE of Roach, Holder or Greaves is necessary. It is also time for Alzharri to give better returns on the investment shown in him.