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I have never heard or read it. Of course I appreciate Kohli as a once in a generation player, but it never strikes me as ironic that Viv praises the Indian batsmen to the high heavens, while ignoring the good performances of our batsmen when we had good batsmen. He’s quick to criticize them though.He was openly hostile to Brian Lara, with one writer describing him as doing everything possible to keep him off the team or pitch, and ignored every one of Lara’s performances, which have all been ranked higher than anyone oh his contemporaries in every team. Never said anything about Ramnaresh Sarwan after he made all those runs in the triumphant England series in 2009, neither his superlative hundred vs murali and co in 2007, a series we were widely expected to lose. Never said anything about Chris Gayle when he made all those runs in that 2009 series versus Australia in 2009/10.

In reply to Jumpstart
Sadly you are correct.

In reply to Chrissy

Telling you. I never, ever heard Viv in my life talk positively about Lara, Sarwan, Chanderpaul or Gayle. Apparently a lot of the players didn’t like him as well when he was lead selector in 2003-2005

In reply to Jumpstart

Got your point so need to garnish it with Sarwan and Gayle ...

In reply to Jumpstart

You think if a Caribbean news outfit sponsored Viv, feted Viv and paid Viv that he wouldn’t say Hety is Headley reincarnate?!

They even fly Lara in to tell them how much better Tendy was.

Follow the money.

In reply to Jumpstart

Talk us through incident where Lara's belongings were thrown out the dressing room. Lara told the story. Viv's name was called.

In reply to Jumpstart

As a people, you have learnt to hate yourself.....SAD

In reply to Castled

Viv said in an interview in a Goa Book festival. In essence he was saying that Lara put his kit in Viv’s position on purpose which is totally absurd

In reply to Halliwell

I understand that but you don’t need to be so much of a brownenoser. You can praise your own people when they do well as well

In reply to Barry

I’m not sure it’s that. I think Viv sees the rest of West Indian batsmen before him and after as competition. You will always hear of Lara talking about Sir Gary and Viv, Lloyd talking about Gary and Kanhai, Gary talking about the three Ws. I have only heard Viv talk about Seymour Nurse and Sobers walking to the wicket, nothing else

Did Viv at any time say he disliked Lara?
What are you looking at what someone said and making issues with it?
Look in the mirror, every youngster that represents Barbados has feelings, every day you are throwing rocks in their faces.

In reply to Jumpstart

Even a casual situation you use to gripe?

Next in line to your bajan hate is Viv only becos he didn’t fall down and bow to the young upstart Lara

Haynes looked out for Lara and somewhat protected him but it doesn’t stop you from whining all the time about bajans

When I had the chance I should have slapped your scaredy-cat rass

In reply to Jumpstart

Have a look at this interview, all love between these men.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDdyk0M9MhA

In reply to openning
Check your PMs in a minute

In reply to openning

Not Dinas is a twat

In reply to Jumpstart

He inspired Ramdin thru his criticism

Dat Viv is a dhaal drinker ....

In reply to Jumpstart

You all just so full of shit. It is just a constant desire to denigrate anyone not from your rock, irrespective of their achievements. One of Viv’s many comments on Chanderpaul. I have heard him praise countless other West Indian batsman…including Lara.

In reply to Halliwell

You got your facts wrong my friend. Lara said that about Sachin during their playing days. We can have our disagreements about Lara but one thing for sure. Lara always calls it as he sees it. Remember when he delivered the Colin Cowdrey lecture.

In reply to Jumpstart
Viv was doing radio commentary when Lara retired in the 2007 WC, and he said, many times Lara made him proud to B a West Indian.
He said more about Lara, but I can't recall everything that was said.

In reply to JOJO

Are you sure Viv made those remarks about Shiv? Read between the lines eh.

In reply to Jumpstart

You hit the nail in the head about Viv Richards. Look, if we are to be sympathetic to him, everybody needs to eat a food and one can argue some Aussies are doing the same thing.

But, it it bad on his part that he stooped so low. But then again, Viv has never really matured- up until a few years ago, he challenged Ramdin to talk to him in person.

That individual has been big failure outside of his playing days.

In reply to openning

Did Hansie Cronje ever say he didn’t like black people? Did he like black people?

In reply to tops

He had to say something. Viv is not the same one who said Lara could not motivate the team after we’d been whitewashed by an all time great English side that would beat that generation’s greatest team in the Ashes the very next year? Ironically, Viv said these words a month before the WI had won the champions trophy under said Lara, our third ICC trophy

All this long conversation about a batter of more than …

In reply to Emir

I agree. The Aussies do the same thing. I don’t think there’s a cricketing ecosystem that appreciates praise to a jingoistic degree more than the Indian cricketing public and media. I get it. But you don’t need to be indifferent when our players perform( the stats say that Lara, Sarwan, Gayle and Chanderpaul were marginally to very consistent; two average over 40 and one averages over 50) or criticize them every time they fail. The WI had no chance of beating England in2004 with the team we had. They had Simon Jones, Steve Harmison, Andrew Flintoff and Matthew Hoggard. England watched tapes of Lara and bounced him early in the innings, when he’s at his most vulnerable to the short ball and were very successful. Sometimes you just have to take your hat off to the opposition. Instead, Viv says that Lara is the problem, the inference being that the results would have been different had he not been there. That English team beat Australia with Warne and McGrath. We could not beat them with the team we had

In reply to sudden

Dessie isn’t every bajan and I don’t criticize bajans for their dealings with Brian Lara. I criticize one bajan for his dealings with Brian Lara. Tony Cozier, who criticized him at every turn, ignoring the frailties his batting masked. I criticize bajans for their support of mediocre players currently though.

I’m sure we haven’t met before. I only stopped off in Barbados when I was going to JA on holiday. Never even entered the airport. I’d hate to think you’re so mentally ill to want to attack someone you’ve never met before

In reply to Jumpstart

You are a just tit twat. Yuh tosser

In reply to Jumpstart

Continuing on the theme: you all just full of shit…

Here’s Viv on Lara—

This is from a discussion where he named Gayle and Lara among the top ten batsmen of all time (not in the West Indies, but in the world).

BTW, I refuse to link to the articles because you guys are just being disingenuous and are not interested in facts.

I am sure he loved her too…

Father of the multiverse?

In reply to Jumpstart

Viv and Lara like and dislike for each other has been discussed numerous times, just found this.
https://caribbeancricket.com/topic/1199172

More Viv envy than mutual dislike

In reply to openning

I do not think Lara dislikes Viv at all. Their relationships seem to be cordial enough in public. Viv however, has gone to the international media multiple times to criticize Lara and his leadership. Lara has only said that the decline started under Viv, something that is factually true. After Viv, Gordon and haynes, only one West Indian had an average over 35, Hooper, marginally at 36. There was an interview with Wes Hall during the Barbados test in 1991 vs Australia where he said the middle order had not been reliable since 1985, when Larry Gomes and Jeff Dujon were there. Carlisle Best, Keith Atherton( who scored his two centuries AFTER Viv had retired not average over 35. Gus Loagie and Dujon multiple times had to rescue the WI from precarious positions because the middle order had failed. And this is not to mention that Viv scored his last hundred in 1989

In reply to Jumpstart

What is it with Trinis and their envy. You seem to feel you have to diminish someone great to prop up your peeps. For years you been saying Viv was racist towards East Indians. Now you crying him down for acknowledging Kohli's achievements. smh.

In reply to Logic

I have never said that Viv was racist towards East Indians. Viv has a child with an Indian actress so how could he be racist towards them? Clem Seecharan repudiates the argument that Viv’s team excluded Indians when he wrote that no Indian players that were good enough to make the team, in Guyana or Trinidad. So that is irrelevant. I am not tearing down Viv’s legacy. I find great irritation at his fawning over Indian players while almost ignoring the achievements of the batsmen back home. England went to England with a second string side and a player who was picked to captain the side(Sammy). And we got lix in England in 2012. Viv in fact said that the WI could return to the.glory days under Sammy, which was rubbish. When the team was getting hammered, he turns his guns on Kirk Edwards and Denesh Ramdin, singling them out for criticism, ignoring the fact that Sammy unbalanced the test team.

In reply to Jumpstart

Tony wanted Brian to cow-tow to him… that dismissive response created Tony and Fanny Attick here… we told him smile and look through them next time- barnacles to glory

In reply to Barry

Why would Cozier want Lara to cow tow to him?

Like unnuh forget the Shoite Lara used to do

As cappo to that ill fated tour of SA instead of practicing and building rapport with the team he used to go off and play golf

Cozier spoke about it plenty of times

Lara was petulant and a failure as a leader of men

Nothing you tits say will or can rewrite his failure as Cappo

And even if the decline didn’t start with him as cappo he did nothing to arrest the slide

In fact it got worse under his leadership

In reply to sudden

Says a person who played the game at the highest level

He at least prolonged our descent into irrelevance. Without Lara in that 1999 series at home versus big bad Australia, we’d have lost 4-0. Curtly and Courtney would have left then and there instead of continuing on for another year and two years respectively

In reply to sudden

He wanted a signature for one of his friends- ask him nah? He here with me in the Centre of Hell

In reply to Jumpstart

He couldn’t play golf good then…

In reply to sudden

One man- not even Jesus- can stop systemic failure…

In reply to Jumpstart

Outside of batting (Viv was a batting genuis) he is not well respected. He has been given many chances at commentary, he failed, as a coach he failed, as a senior statesman he failed miserably.

I read the article on Kohli, it was very sad indeed that he felt obliged to stoop so low for perhaps what he saw as a road to gold in Indian cricket riches.

In reply to sudden

A bajan cricket fan calling somebody petulant HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. I doh recall Lara boycotting a side because his mate didn’t get pick……and then encouraging an entire country not to go out to support the game.

Heard him talk about Lawrence Rowe is such sweet terms.

Man talking about towing cattle

Dem is farmers

In reply to Halliwell

Fool…

Cowtow… to kowtow to Socafighter… work the rest out

In reply to Halliwell

You fraid him but not me…. Do he bidding, calf.. the time cometh, brother…

In reply to Barry

You have the gall to bring a K now and still playing man? I wasn’t born yesterday and I don’t live in the escarpment y’know, brother!

In reply to Halliwell

Bulls and cows, brother- that’s how we get milk and meat… you are a bit slow…

Living in Canada fried your brain…

The thing is, t o w is when you pull something
And it rhymes with b o w
And n o
And c r o w

In reply to sudden

bruh thats big talk but i know and you know there is no way you would be leaving that fridge unattended

In reply to Jumpstart

http://www.howstat.com/cricket/statistics/players/PlayerInnings_ODI.asp?PlayerID=3600

Kohli has an overall average of 58 in ODI ..... with 2nd innings, while chasing targets is staggering 65......has an aura of his own....two of the best 2nd innings chasers in modern times....Lara and Inzamam.......in my opinion,Kohli has won more matches than combine two.....Viv has praised him deservingly...
As for Sarwan, Gayle or any other.....may be one or two series....they performed but never as consistent as Kohli....
Don't blame Viv... blame inconsistent West Indies batters.....

In reply to Onionman0

You even read the thrust of the thread. We are not speaking about ODIs. We’re speaking generally.

In reply to Jumpstart

In last 25 years.... West Indies produced two batters of World repute...Lara and Chanderpaul........rest Gayle,Sarwan and who...... May have performed in one or two series but alas.... average in 30's and 40's...... World of cricket is full of players with 30's and 40's....even higher....Shewag,Laxman,Dravid,Ross Taylor, Gilchrist,Kallis.....list is endless.... Sarwan,Gayle at best falls in these category....IF AT ALL......
Viv had personal issues with Lara....so that's that!!!
Chanderpaul definitely falls in Dravid category.....
As for Kohli....just surpassed Tendulkar.. with 50th century!!!!!
I am in agreement with Viv....

I agree VIV may have had personal issues with Lara however I recall him being there when he made his 400. Disappointing that he never acknowledged him publicly but at least he was there to congratulate him on his record.

Ofcourse it has to be. Trini..

In reply to Khaga

You know he had a red thing here and an ugly monster by you…

The issue is westindian players never respected the seniors. Right from Richardson dumping viv from the 1992 wc, lara kicking Richardson out after 96, then gayle, sarwan kicking lara to the curb.

Whereas in india, viv and lara are revered to a demi-god like status.. so it goes.. now stop being a cry baby and atleaat acknowledge there is some west Indian presence in the wc.

In reply to Jumpstart

Did he not like black people. You getting desperate.

In reply to gvenkata are revered to a demi-god like status.. so it goes.. now stop being a cry baby and atleaat acknowledge there is some west Indian presence in the wc[/quote]

Well, only because they both had to say Sachin was god and now Kohli is god's child.

You know Sanga had no Indian wuk b/c he said Lara was the best

In reply to gvenkat

lara didn't kick richie out. he had retired from test matches already. very possible lara underperormed, like he would do in 1997 in pakjistan, but he never kicked richardson out. richie fell on his own sword by keeping the LI clique together and thus going in with less than full strength teams. Keith Athurton in the 1996 world cup made two runs in 5 world cup matches. and in none he was not out. when you have guys like that in your team and you keep picking them(andy roberts was coach), and your team loses, then you only have yourself to blame.

Viv in India singing the praise of 10D and Gavaskar

INTERVIEWER :- Who is the Best Batsman of All Time !!

VIV RICHARDS :- I always Look Up to Sunny Gavaskar. And I have said this Over and Over again.. And I apologise to All those Greats Who have Graced this Game of Cricket.
And Why He is the Greatest? Because at the time when West Indian Bowlers Were at their Best , at a time where no one wanted to Bat against West Indian Bowling Attacks and they wanted to Surrender , but Sunny, He Scored 14 Test Match Hundreds against the attack that was So Feared, so How can you Count him out, You can never ever Count Sunny Out. His Centuries against Those Attacks that's Got to be very very Special because Some Guys had hardly those Figures as overall into their Statistics or Whatever, but Sunny Stands tall. And Here is the Guy When you look at him then you would think What this guy can do with the bat on his hand! He Should be On a Horseback as a Jockey You know (Laughing) But He was one of the Huge Huge individual and He was the Pioneer of Indian Batsmanship , He is very Special in my Eyes!!!!!

Source

In reply to googley

He does change tune depending on where he is. It used to be Sachin, now is Sunny. Then I heard him say in BBC’s Empire of Cricket docu that nobody was better than him.

In reply to Jumpstart

One thing for sure.. he never said Lara..

In reply to Khaga

Why would a real soul of India join a messageboard to attack Lara… your soul is rotting in the Western cesspool of decadence and disdain….

In reply to googley
To be honest Viv is lying about Gavaskar. He only faced WI 4prong in 11 tests home and away in '83.
His best score against them was at bourda in a 'dead match' after about 2days washout and on a final day when the match was only in its 2nd inning. The double was on a dead, dead, dead pitch after he had about 9 failures out of ten prior. of about 20 innings in those two series Sunny passed 50 only about 4 times.

Had Viv said Sunny stood up to Lillee and Thommo in Oz he'd be more credible. Sobers, Dowe, Holder or so ain' nuh 4prong.

Time to put to rest the myth that Gavaskar scored 14 tons vs WI 4 prong...Two/three at most with at least 15 failures in between.

In reply to Brerzerk

Viv knows the savagery of the prongs

I was just going to add that before Berserk did.

Furthermore when Gavaskar first met the four prong in 1983, Marshall, Roberts Holding Garner and Davis...he was dismissed cheaply in the first three tests before making a big 147 at Bourda in a drawn test then returned to failing again at Kensington and St John

The first time Gavaskar met the four prong in 1983-84 in WI and India he played against them 20 innings and failed 16 times

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