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According to one of the commentators in the Guyana vs WI Academy match, Butcher is the one who spotted Thorne at a camp in Berbice... First Shamar Joseph, now Thorne?

These guys need to get their information right... Stop spreading crap. Thorne was known to most since he was 11 or 12... Butcher was not the one who spotted him!

In reply to anthonyp

Anthony

I saw a post on the live feed chat yesterday that suggested that Shamar Joseph allegedly has a brother who also bowls quick. Do you know anything about this ?

Not sure if a wind up or not.

In reply to robbo

Floyd Joseph... He's not as quick as Shamar. Think he's older too.

Could check around the 2hr:22min mark in the link below and you will see him bowling... Shamar played in the match too... Everest vs DCC - T20 final.

Link

In reply to anthonyp

Thanks Anthony

But who arranged the camp? Also was Butcher the one who spotted him for U19? Anyway this is not as sick as the vid making the rounds with the GT T20 coach gushing to the Indian press how he found as well as saved Shamar’s career

In reply to anthonyp

I heard Roland Butcher also scouted Gary Sobers and Learie Constantine

In reply to anthonyp


https://caribbeancricket.com/archivedtopic/1172444

In reply to anthonyp

What are you saying after reading the link?
Roland Butcher, Floyd Reifer and his wife were members of the group.

In reply to anthonyp

Success has many fathers, but failure is an orphan

In reply to openning

The article in the link that you posted is dated December 2019...

Thorne would have been around 15 by then. At that age he had already represented Guyana at the U15 & U17 level... Even went to England with the WI U16 team.

Roland Butcher got nothing to do with Thorne... He did not spot him. The BCB and a few coaches up there are the ones who deserve the credit.

In reply to imusic

Butcher only scouting talent outside of Bim... Time he start spotting some in Bim... A new Kraigg maybe

The Cave Hill group was the first that started the program, with the academy moved to Antigua, Dukes and his group did a program in Guyana, can you name a group who are doing the same for the region?
the link posted says 2018, read Dukes' response to the question.

In reply to anthonyp

So you are saying that Butcher did not see Thorne and recognized his talent? It's not really who see him first but who see him and could help him reach next level.
Otherwise..is mother spotted him first..long before he was 11 or 12

In reply to anthonyp

Here is another link.
https://newsday.co.tt/2018/07/29/uwi-launches-pace-like-fire/

In reply to Baje

Butcher recognised his talent after he made the Guyana youth teams and WI U16 and taking credit for him? The youth was already known by then.

Thorne started playing at 8... By turning up to the Young Warriors ground and asking the other kids if he could play. He then moved to Tucber Park (Shamar Joseph club) where Julian Moore worked with him for a bit, after that he moved to Rose Hall Canje club... The club coach was his teacher at school.

Those two coaches are the ones who did most of his work with him in his early days and deserve most of the credit not some dude who spotted him after he represented the Country!

Here is a piece on Thorne.. Listen for yourself

In reply to openning

Dude that pace like fire nonsense was a waste of time... They spend like 3 days in Guyana and no one never heard back from them.

It was done through GCB, who asked the three counties to organise a one day camp with their best fast bowlers... all that the UWI did was stand there with a speed gun to figure out who bowled the quickest. It was so poorly organised that they had the players bowling on grass. For the Guyana leg Sylus Tyndall was clocked as the quickest... 82mph or something like that.

Dukes and the BCB had a far better camp when Sir Curtly came.. Thorne had already made the national team by then.

In reply to anthonyp

If Butcher saw Joseph or Thorne while doing some scouting as a West Indies selector and recognized the talent, what's your problem with a commie saying that Butcher spotted them? Don't selectors have to spot someone before selecting him? Now, if Butcher is going around taking credit for getting those players into the Guyana setup where they were then spotted by West Indies selectors, that is an entirely different kettle of fish.

In reply to anthonyp

Dude, my wife's nephew was spotted in Toronto by Arsenal, he moved to England to join Arsenal and continue with his school, at 17 years old he realized his field time was diminishing and pursued education.
Did Toronto get him into Arsenal or was it the Arsenal scuts?
Was it, not the selector who heard from the scouts about Thorne getting his selected for the U-19 team?
And yes they are scouts in the region.
A scout in Jamaica and St Kitts may have seen players in the first three games, that is now communicating with the selectors

In reply to Walco

The way the commentator put it over is as if nobody knew about Thorne before Butcher made this discovery at some camp in Berbice... That's not true, Thorne was already well known by then.

Nothing wrong with them saying that they provide some guidance or assisted in someway... But to go around saying he's the man who discovered Thorne at an 'organised' camp is crap.

Is Ameer Rahaman, the coach of Rose Hall Canje Club?

I went to Multi with that dude. We used to play cricket together on the concrete strip between the bicycle shed and the cafeteria.

In reply to imusic

You are a wretch of a by gone era. Word is you head hunted Ganteaume and Sonny Ramadhin.

In reply to anthonyp

Thank you so much for that clip. The ground looks the same as when I was a child and teenager spending endless hours there. I learned to ride my bicycle there and would play bumper ball games illegally at the eastern end where the soccer pitch was. The groundsman Mr Noor will run us off but we'll return as soon as he was back in the main pavilion. I did not miss any first division match on weekends and saw many great innings by Harnanand, Sukwah and Amsterdam and Fredericks when Mental Hospital and Blairmont visited. Also saw Solomon and Butcher's 400 odd partnership against MCC.

In reply to anthonyp

Understood

In reply to anthonyp

He discovered WG Grace & Kanhai too

In reply to anthonyp

Dude give opening a break .... don't know why he keep fencing for Butcher

BTW Mashrami seem to be low key this year man

In reply to Kay

I corrected Dukes on a similar topic in 2019, he was not aware.
Not one Barbados commentator is at any of the games, so we all know the info is from someone who has input as to the CWI academy initiative.