Shamar- A genuine All rounder in the making

This young man can bat. So far he’s averaging 16 in tests and I expect that to get into the mid twenties once they stop batting him at 11. He should be our #8. He has more batting pedigree about him than both Alzarie and Motie. I watched him play a few sweep shots in this brief inning today and there was no glimpse of a tailender in the way he played those shots.

In reply to chantilly

Indeed apologies on your post on this topic previously having Seales infront of Shamar when he's fit is insane and indeed he should definitely come before Motie but I still have faith in Alzharri though as his high elbow drives are wonderful to watch!!!

In reply to WIfan26

I think both Joseph boys are decent with the bat. However, Alzari does get out of shape and look like a tail ender from time to time. Shamar looks like he used to be a number 4 in a former life. Some of his shots look as classic as any Left hander would look.. and the power on those pull shots off the front foot is just frightening. Currently he’s the best #11 in world cricket, which is a damn joke. He played a lofted on drive in the second inning of the last test that was just top drawer.. they need to make him take his batting seriously. One way to get the team improving is to find a genuine all rounder and we might be looking at him right here.

In reply to WIfan26

Big part of batting is temperament and discipline. If Alzari had enough of those re-batting he’d be at least a poor man’s Holder. Not so unless he gets to face frequent 4ball deliveries. Shamar will be a useful to good lower order #8, heck he already is just not allowed

I’ll say this much. If they start batting Shamar at #8 it won’t take him 10 innings to score his first 50. That boy has a test ton in him somewhere…he has all the shots.

In reply to chantilly

A good eye! When he started out in the game, it was more as a batsman, the signs of which remain today.

There is a need to develop his batting but with due care & attention to the concern that trying to force, or mold a player into a genuine all-rounder for the sake of want, can be detrimental to the real strength of his game, i.e. as a strike bowler. For now, would have him at 9 with a view toward possibly moving up a spot should he outperform Alzarri Joseph going forward. Batting him lower than Jayden Seales is ridiculous.

In reply to 4REALQUICKS

Allyuh tek time man... let Shamar develop into an concentrate on being a top class strike bowler an let his useful batting take care of itself....at this point in his development i think a short stint in English county cricket would be very beneficial for him just as it has for Seales....county cricket has always been the finishing school but unfortunately we dnt have enough of our players attracting counties to give them contracts an after this disastrous tour i dnt see that changing.

In reply to CCW

That would be great...the issue is, the tests against South Africa are coming up in a week...so, he would not have much time left to join a county side. I am sure that a few of them would be delighted to entertain Shamar for the last few matches of the county season. Theoretically, he could play the tests against South Africa, which are due to finish in mid-August, then skip the white ball section of the South Africans visit and hop on a plane back to England. The County Championship finishes at the end of September, so he could catch a few games. Doubtful it happens but a nice idea.

In reply to 4REALQUICKS

I was more talking about in future if it fits in with our schedule but yes whenever possible it would be beneficial to his development...as for the likes of the batsmen Athanaze etc if they cant attract counties maybe they should consider the Lancashire league route...there is no better place in the world to help you improve your technique than in England.

He & AlJo are batting pacers.

Shamar pace is off by 6-8 mph.

He was 90+ in Australia. He has not bowled a 145 kmph delivery in this entire series. I find this very odd.

In reply to WIForever

90's 2day

He clearly hasn’t been totally fit… as has been said… his pace has been well down… I didn’t see the 90’s today but the vast majority of the time he had been mid 80’s…. It really makes a difference… at his quickest he is effectively Quicker still because he really skids and zips of the pitch, I haven’t seen any of that in this series. unfortunately. I’m sure he will ‘come again’ because he does look as if he has that something about him.

He had though come down to earth with a bump
Since that super adrenaline fuelled performance in Oz

In reply to WIForever

I was wondering about that too.

In reply to chantilly

Those sweeps were top class, no way should be 11!!!!

In reply to GMA

What’s amazing is his ability to judge pacers lengths so quickly! Those pulls are Gayle quality

I don’t want Shamar to concentrate on anything but Fast bowling

In reply to Jumpstart

He is good enough to be an allrounder.

He lack of cricket is the issue.

In reply to TanteMerle

That’s true. But you don’t want another Dwayne Bravo who focuses on his weaker suit. Lara was constantly trying to get through DJ’s head that he was a Batsman who could bowl, not a bowler who could bat. What if Shamar decides he likes batting better than bowling and does not decide to dedicate the time necessary to increase his bowling skill set? Then the WI will lose our long hoped for spearhead. Personally I think that would be an enormous tragedy

In reply to Jumpstart

That Lara statement was and still is nonsense.

If Bravo had concentrated on the longer format,
He would have ended his career as a great.

The short format coupled with Windies bad administrative unit,
stop Bravo from fulfilling his potential.

Bravo was a genuine allrounder.

In reply to TanteMerle

No I disagree with that. Bravo was never a strike bowler. He was however an excellent batsman. You don’t score hundreds at Perth against Bret Lee and McGrath not being a batsman potentially of the highest order, especially when it’s your first visit to the country. Bravo if he had concentrated on his batting was a batsman who could easily have averaged 45-50. You could not however expect him to get 5 wickets every 6-7 games and average 25 or below

In reply to Jumpstart

You do not have to be a strike bowler to be an allrounder.

Bravo would have been great if he stayed.

On more than one occasions, Bravo was the bowler who looked like betting people out.

He was also great in the field.

I will stick to saying a complete allrounder.
I understand your point though.

bashing a few here and there does not an alrounder maketh

In reply to TanteMerle

Correct

In reply to Brerzerk

Thank you. He pulls the ball of the front foot with Lara like elegance and Gayle like power.