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CaribbeanCricket.com 2024-12-06 12:10:11 

Outgoing ICC chairman Greg Barclay has questioned whether structural change to the board's membership system is needed, advocating for the abolition of Full Member status and breaking up West Indies into island teams.

Barclay completed his term as ICC chair on December 1, handing over the position to Jay Shah for the next three years. In an interview with Telegraph Sport during the Christchurch Test match between England and New Zealand, Barclay touched on several subjects relevant to his tenure, among them the future of Test match cricket, and whether it was feasible for all countries that currently play it to continue to do so.

In particular, he highlighted the plight of Cricket West Indies, which has faced significant financial difficulty over the last few years, particularly heightened during the Covid-19 pandemic. Under the ICC's model from 2024-27, West Indies will receive a less than a five per cent share of ICC earnings.

“You look at the West Indies, I love what they’ve done for the game, but is the West Indies in its current form sustainable?” said Barclay. “Is it time for them to break into each of their islands?

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dayne 2024-12-06 13:59:57 

Mr. Barclay is not aware of the importance and the cultural attachment of the WI team to the Caribbean. If the WI team was broken up into separate countries cricket standards would drop even more in the islands

 
hubert 2024-12-06 14:01:54 

In reply to dayne

lollollol

 
FanAttick 2024-12-06 14:09:46 

In reply to CaribbeanCricket.com

Music to my ears…long overdue..time to extricate ourselves from this vestige of colonialism

 
hubert 2024-12-06 14:16:20 

In reply to FanAttick

You are going to be tarred and feathered....Been saying this for 62 years...since 1962 when
Yard changed its flag. Be on guard lollol

 
Onionman0 2024-12-06 14:42:43 

 
FanAttick 2024-12-06 14:46:00 

In reply to hubert

My back broad brobig grin

 
Slipfeeler 2024-12-06 14:50:48 

West Indies cricket is already broken up due to island insularities, with one island dominating selection of their own players despite performance, while more talented players from other islands are denied selection. I have a colleague at work from another cricketing country, who has been watching West Indies cricket from our dominant days, he observed that WI is quick to discard performing players for lesser talented and less performing players, which have contributed to the gradual decline of West Indies cricket.

 
FanAttick 2024-12-06 14:54:46 

In reply to Slipfeeler

The late great Tony Cozier used to justify the selection of marginal and unproven Bajan players by talking about their “obvious talent”…stats be dammed big grin

 
Narper 2024-12-06 15:02:51 

In reply to CaribbeanCricket.com

BRUK II UP NOW

We the people don't own WI cricket anyway....CWI is a PRIVATE entity that do what they and when they want....

NONESENSE FOR TOO LONG

 
Acid 2024-12-06 15:06:20 

Don’t know if this guy understands Geography- how is he going to break up Guyana into an island?

Does he think Guyana is surrounded by water like the UK, Australia, NZ or Sri Lanka?

 
Narper 2024-12-06 15:14:00 

In reply to dayne

Mr. Barclay is not aware of the importance and the cultural attachment of the WI team to the Caribbean. If the WI team was broken up into separate countries cricket standards would drop even more in the islands

Mr Barclay is more aware than you think.....'Who is Who" in cricket reads dis boardbig grin

 
Narper 2024-12-06 15:17:44 

In reply to Acid

DE man tempting Guyana....de fastest growing economy in de world...

 
velo 2024-12-06 15:35:53 

Guyana is a fast growing economylollollol

 
hubert 2024-12-06 15:46:02 

In reply to Acid

lollol Guyana for your info is on a continent, SOUTH AMERICA. It will lead cricket's resurgence
on that Continent. Oil rich and with unlimited room to prosper and grow, what the hell would it
need WI for ? Oh yes to be exploited and marginalized ...
It has been largely forgotten and bypassed in recent years with little or no Test cricket...
The haste in which the WI gave them permit to have a Global T20 should be a wake up call
to all who are woke in WI cricket as lovers.
And now we have heard talk of WEHBY report, again ??? This is so funny ...
This welfare masony of leeches called WI Board is something else......Time COMING lollol

 
jacksparrow 2024-12-06 16:01:23 

Madman.

 
Narper 2024-12-06 16:11:53 

In reply to velo

Guyana is a fast growing economy

Is dat a joke for you?

 
velo 2024-12-06 17:42:04 

In reply to Narper
i was just poking fun i have nothing against guyana except that statement is ridiculous

 
PalsofMine 2024-12-06 18:34:27 

You know at this stage, I say leh we go with that. No sign of our islands ever wanting to form a single political entity. Why then should we worry to have a single cricket team that in any event brings nothing to the international table. It would be interesting if we all start at the lowest international level and see which island will make its way furthest and fastest. My money will be on Jamaica with their inbred competitiveness in sport.

 
openning 2024-12-06 18:35:06 

GUYANA AND BARBADOS NO SHOW FOR CRITICAL CWI GOVERNANCE VOTE - SECOND TIME IN HISTORY

 
mikelegend 2024-12-06 19:07:59 

Barbados

McCaskie
Braithwaithe
Hope
Chase
Mayers
Greaves
Holder
Jordan /Springer/Drakes
Roach
Blades/ C Holder
Warrican

 
mikelegend 2024-12-06 19:16:46 

Guyana

Tage
Nandu/Sinclair
Imlach
Anderson/Savory/Sinclair
Hetmeyer
Rutherford
Shepherd
Motie
Paul
Permaul/Sinclair
Joseph

 
mikelegend 2024-12-06 19:25:07 

Trinidad

Ottley
Webster
Bravo(Michael)
Jangoo
Goolie
DaSilva
Hinds
Hossein
Pierre/Charles/Mohammed
Philip
Seales

 
Jeremy 2024-12-06 19:38:27 

Yes mr barclay is right. Guyana wants to go it alone. we have the best fans in the west indies.

I was in florida watching CPL games a few years ago and i only see Guyanese fans.

No trini fans in florida.

Guyanese fans everywhere.

Guyana can go it alone and be successful.

 
Jeremy 2024-12-06 19:40:44 

Mr Greg Barclay is a intelligent man.

 
mikelegend 2024-12-06 19:42:45 

Jamaica

King
Campbell
McKenzie/Blackwood
Bonner/ Jordan Johnson
Powell
Walton
Allen
Glenn/Royal
O Smith/ Mansingh/ R Lewis
Mindley
Shields

 
ray 2024-12-06 19:44:00 

AYuh think it bad now, wait till go it alone startbig grin

 
Narper 2024-12-06 19:54:18 

In reply to ray

At least Guyana will beat Brazil, Venezuela and Surinam and even Mexicobig grin

Check who playing here

 
Jumpstart 2024-12-06 19:57:34 

In reply to CaribbeanCricket.com

HOW THE HELL THE WEST INDIES MORE SUSTAINABLE AS MIDDLE INCOME TO POOR CRICKETING NATIONS? dude whole prejudiced petticoat showing big time.

 
Jumpstart 2024-12-06 19:57:51 

In reply to Narper

lollol

 
Jumpstart 2024-12-06 19:58:40 

In reply to mikelegend

dat team can't beat Thailand in a cricket match

 
velo 2024-12-06 20:05:49 

Man this guy jeremy smh smile i hope the guyana government paying you good money

 
Jumpstart 2024-12-06 20:06:09 

In reply to FanAttick

The late great Tony Cozier used to justify the selection of marginal and unproven Bajan players by talking about their “obvious talent”…stats be dammed big grin

that dude became one of the many malignant tumors in west indies cricket

 
mikelegend 2024-12-06 20:25:25 

Antigua and Barbuda

K James
R Cornwall
J Andrew
K Henry
K Gore
H Walsh
A Joseph
K Pitman
M Greaves
G Williams
J Spencer

 
PalsofMine 2024-12-06 20:51:08 

In reply to ray

Well, expectations will be much less and we will start at the bottom instead of making our way there slowly and surely!big grin

 
voiceofreason 2024-12-06 21:05:02 

Who is Greg Barclay?

Greg Barclay is a Canadian- New Zealand Sports Administrator who was the ICC chief. I suggest he does some more research as the highlighted is an ignorant assertion:

What they’ve achieved in cricket is phenomenal when you think that they are a group of disparate islands that don’t really have anything in common, other than cricket, and yet they’ve held themselves together for that period of time as the West Indies.

I guess he never heard of Caricom , OECS, Eastern Caribbean dollar, Slavery, colonialism? Anyone can see what he is trying to do here the old divide and destroy trick. So West Indies cannot survive financially and competitively on its own but the individual islands can? The same challenges of T20 freelance leagues will become even more a challenge as I doubt that any of these cricketing islands on their own will ever gain Test status in the next 20-30 years.

 
voiceofreason 2024-12-06 21:06:24 

In reply to mikelegend
M GREAVES and G Williams who are they?

Not interested.

 
mikelegend 2024-12-06 21:30:19 

In reply to voiceofreason

Give me two more names…

 
Jumpstart 2024-12-06 21:35:31 

 
jahmekyah 2024-12-06 23:46:43 

In reply to FanAttick

Also music to my ear, long over due too much insularity ,dirty politricks and incompetent baboons running west indies cricket

i would prefer live and die with my last place island team. now i can feel some pride and choke up when I hear my national anthem

West indies cricket has being a misnomer for many years now. it is about time this "feeding at the trough band" get disbanded

 
jahmekyah 2024-12-06 23:49:32 

The tail has being wagging the dog for too long

 
WIForever 2024-12-06 23:54:34 

This guy is a shithong. Suggesting a bunch of stuff while leaving. Did nothing while there.

 
XDFIX 2024-12-07 00:25:44 

Black people unite!

 
Jumpstart 2024-12-07 01:00:06 

In reply to voiceofreason

I guess he never heard of Caricom , OECS, Eastern Caribbean dollar, Slavery, colonialism? Anyone can see what he is trying to do here the old divide and destroy trick. So West Indies cannot survive financially and competitively on its own but the individual islands can? The same challenges of T20 freelance leagues will become even more a challenge as I doubt that any of these cricketing islands on their own will ever gain Test status in the next 20-30 years.

he isn't making an iota of sense. just another idiot trying to make cricket smaller and more elitist. problem is that for 15 years, a proletariat side was the greatest team in the history of team sports. No football team in the 80s was as good as the WI, perhaps brazil 82 had the skills and swagger, but they didn't have the success. Argentina was a one man army. the lakers could be beaten by the celtics. not even the all blacks in the 80s were as good as the WI. Its an unprecedented achievement

Americans don't know about cricket, but this is an article by an american website on the most dominant sports teams. here is there description on the WI

Ten years at the top of the ICC Test rankings. This team, collected from a group of tiny islands, had the entire world in a chokehold. Graham Gooch probably didn't expect the decade-long tear these guys went on after he threatened to "make them grovel."

If you extend this to the mid-90s, West Indies cricket did not lose a test series in 15 years. They played 29 test match series and never lost any of them.

With players like Richards, Lloyd, Garner, Marshall, and Ambrose, they terrorized and demolished all opposition, home and away.

https://www.thetoptens.com/sports/most-dominant-sports-teams/

The late 70s-90s team is the closest thing to a dynasty that cricket has seen

 
Logic 2024-12-07 01:29:40 

In reply to voiceofreason

I too was particularly pissed by his suggestion that we are a bunch of islands with nothing in common besides cricket......then i read some of the comments here including the obligatory attack on Barbados.... and accepted that more and more divides us that unites us.

If his tactic was to divide and rule it is working a peach

 
voiceofreason 2024-12-07 02:24:14 

In reply to Jumpstart

Yes you are onto something there. These guys are still smarting that an all black/East Indian team, descendants of slaves and indentured laborers could dominate the game the Slave masters/ Colonialists taught them. Not just 2 years but 2 decades. They do not want to see WI ever dominate like that again so give them a mere 5% of the profit share and tempt their star players with freelance leagues all over the world as WI simply cannot pay them.

What about suggesting a greater share of the revenues as a stronger WI team is good for World Cricket? You know how many were ecstatic when WI win that Test vs Oz to draw the series? There was such an enthusiasm spike that day 3 of the English test the next summer was sold out.

 
voiceofreason 2024-12-07 03:02:41 

In reply to Logic All I want to know is how a Man like Barclay who I doubt has ever spent more than a month or two at a time can lecture us about the Caribbean and what ails our cricket team. I consider that to be an offense and if he were still the ICC Chief I believe he would have been made to apologise. While he was the chief what did he do to s
top India from taking over the council and benefiting from 40% of its revenues? What has he done to champion for more revenue for the poorer nations to ensure a competitive world product ?

Here he is admitting his failure to rein in India's powers:


Barclay said he hoped Shah would be able to leverage India's stature take the game out of the mess it was in. "I think he's got a great opportunity to use what he's got in his background to help India take the game to another level, but without making it sort of under the yoke of India as well," Barclay said. "We're really lucky to have India, they're a massive contributor to the game across all the measures, but one country having that amount of power and influence does distort a whole lot of other outcomes, which is not necessarily helpful in terms of that global growth


Barclay departs

As much as I champion fair selection and opportunity for players from the smaller islands Leewards and Windwards I would never suggest once that we go it alone. To each is own.

 
Narper 2024-12-07 03:33:07 

In reply to velo

In reply to Narper
i was just poking fun i have nothing against guyana except that statement is ridiculous


READ
The world bank in Guyana

 
positiveg 2024-12-07 05:14:14 

In reply to Logic

Agreed with yiu and VOR sentimenta. Look how he throw the bone and have the dogs fighting. Typically of well nah. I'll be banned from here if I type it. So.. a gone.
But so typical, would really be nice to say what he has dine in the 3 years since he's been leading the ICC but given India more of the pie then say WI getting less than 5 percent of the share. That happened under his watch.
But then again some of us need to be told what to do and how to feel about each other from Massa.
A stop a gone now for real.

 
Chrissy 2024-12-07 11:06:51 

In reply to CaribbeanCricket.com
Someone should tell Greg dat Guyana is not an island. the ICC

 
Besar 2024-12-07 11:21:25 

Imagine that eh! now as individual territories we could look forward to a 5 Test Vincentian tour of Dominica; or even 5 ODI, 5 Test tour of Trinidad to Barbados or vice versa. India can tour Grenada for a 5 test series. Imagine Boxing Day Test between Guyana and Australia, while ST.Kitts hosts England and New Zealand in a triangular ODI series. How interesting that would be. We are on a forward move to conquering the world of cricket as individual territories.

 
velo 2024-12-07 11:55:08 

In reply to Narper

ok i had to go back and see what you wrote and you are right guyana has the fastest growing emerging economy i misread what you wrote i thought you were saying something different .

 
b4u8me2 2024-12-07 12:56:38 

I am trying my very best to understand his quoted statement. If he does not believe the WI is sustainable as a test cricketing nation due to financial implications then how will breaking up help? Isn't each WI territory poorer than a combination or territories? If he was so concerned about WI cricket why not change this ridiculous ICC model where only Australia, England and India benefit financially. The ICC has failed to be equitable and it almost feels like a plan to kill WI cricket. Other cricketing nations are suffering too financially because of the stupid model. The WI cannot even afford to have a reserve day for a final of their premier white ball competition. Spilt the money more evenly and allow us to develop our cricket. Otherwise just shut up.

 
Jeremy 2024-12-07 13:25:30 

In reply to b4u8me2

West indies do not generate money for ICC, all the grounds in the caribbean are empty except for Guyana and T.rinidad

90% of the money are generated from India.

 
Narper 2024-12-07 13:58:16 

In reply to velo

cool

 
openning 2024-12-07 14:53:35 

In reply to b4u8me2

It almost feels like a plan to kill WI cricket.

With cricket now added to the Olympics, there will be no need for CWI.
Being insular will now be supporting your team and players.

Let us move on from CWI.

 
Jumpstart 2024-12-07 18:47:53 

In reply to openning

Must be you to come up with some ignorant diatribe eh. When Barbados went to the commonwealth games, they ever make a knockout match? They got canned in Malaysia in 1997 and got beat down in the women’s tournament a few years ago.

 
openning 2024-12-07 21:33:15 

In reply to Jumpstart

Barbados is an independent Island; it is time to be independent with cricket.

How many times did T&T make the Commonwealth game?

Don't be jealous, allyuh compete on the world stage at Golf, Soccer, T&F and other events.
Let Barbados earn some of its history..

Canada and the USA play cricket around the world.

 
Jumpstart 2024-12-08 00:55:58 

In reply to openning

Trinidad went to the champions league and finished second, only beaten by a group of Aussie professionals of much superior experience and changed the way T20 cricket was played internationally, a style that lasted for well over a decade. Brett Lee was the difference between the two sides. Barbados and Guyana went once and both embarrassed the region

 
Onionman0 2024-12-08 01:50:30 

It's more of a political statement...coming from white man.....having many grudges against a team comprising only black.....

ICC talks about developing cricket among associates...
What happened to Zimbabwe cricket...
What happened to Kenyan cricket....

They were performing well in ICC tournaments...reaching semis....how ICC helped them...

Instead... Bangladesh & Afghanistan were given test status...promoted by sub continent teams....backed by ICC....which is nothing but stooge of India....

As posters are happy to go alone.....ICC will be more than happy to vanquish another black cricket team....save it's coffer from making payment to full member.... distribute the savings among themselves and also fund UAE,Qatar,Oman, Saudi Arabia, IPL auction held there....

Who knows in coming years, few of them may become full member albeit at the cost of West Indies...

MY ONLY WISH!!!!! THAT HAPPENS AFTER MY DEATH!!!!

 
Jumpstart 2024-12-08 12:31:22 

In reply to Onionman0

Bangladesh

WHO WERE NOT READY AND ONLY UNTIL THIS YEAR LOOKED REMOTELY READY. Ehsan Mani, pakistani president of the icc in 2004 said it was a big mistake to give bangladesh test status. for decades while commies were bashing their presence at the highest level, they gave stupid excuses for the fact that they have been largely uncompetitive anywhere. By the time Sri Lanka were 24 years old as an icc full member, they already had an ICC world cup title and a test series win in England. Bangladesh can't even dream of either

 
hubert 2024-12-08 13:01:29 

In reply to Onionman0

.ICC will be more than happy to vanquish another black cricket team....

So ICC gonna turn Jamaica , T&T, Bim ,.Guyana et al, WHITE ? What kinda statement is that ?????

Has the IOC, IAAF, FIFA done so ???
A Nation stands on its OWN in International Sports. Grow up Its, 2024 soon to be 2025 ///

 
Jumpstart 2024-12-08 15:40:59 

In reply to hubert

Has the IOC, IAAF, FIFA done so ???

i don't believe any of those organizations had a black team dominate the sport for 20 years. Even brazil, brazil dominated from 58-70, and then took 24 years to win world title. If brazil had won the 58, 62, 66, 70, 74 and 78 world cups, i'll tell what would have happened, they'd have banned musical instruments from the stadiums. i know this because they eventually did this soon after socrates and zico graced the stage.

when jamaica cleaned up the sprints in london 2012, what did dick pound say without an iota of evidence? dude.....you really need to take your head out the sand

have you ever heard anybody from india, pakistan or sri lanka suggesting the WI should disband

 
powen001 2024-12-08 16:44:36 

In reply to CaribbeanCricket.com

ok...he is outgoing..

kiss our collective arses on the way out.