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HEADLINE: ICC chair advocates breaking up of West Indies cricket
debut: 11/14/02
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In reply to Larr Pullo
That white dude is late on this train. They don't have to tell us anything.
You se, that is the problem...them telling us what we ought to know .
They are the enslavers, aint...and why should we be still following their
policy of herding as in slavery ???????
Its 2024 nearly 2025 ....
Have we as black ,non whites become sovereign nations or have we ???
That white dude is late on this train. They don't have to tell us anything.
You se, that is the problem...them telling us what we ought to know .
They are the enslavers, aint...and why should we be still following their
policy of herding as in slavery ???????
Its 2024 nearly 2025 ....
Have we as black ,non whites become sovereign nations or have we ???
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debut: 7/22/22
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In reply to Jumpstart
They just don't care. And, truth be told, neither does Barclay. He's retiring, he's out of there; he was just asked a question in an interview. Quit thinking that the Caribbean matters to the wider world. The wider context is more interesting:
have you ever heard anybody from india, pakistan or sri lanka suggesting the WI should disband
They just don't care. And, truth be told, neither does Barclay. He's retiring, he's out of there; he was just asked a question in an interview. Quit thinking that the Caribbean matters to the wider world. The wider context is more interesting:
In addition to questioning whether continuing Test status was in the best interest of West Indies, Barclay also questioned whether it was in the best interest of Ireland, one of the 2018 additions to the Full Member list. Cricket Ireland cancelled hosting a bilateral series against Australia earlier this year, citing the costs of the series as a factor in the decision.
“There’s some structural change that probably needs to be contemplated,” said Barclay. “Some countries are trying to play Test cricket that maybe shouldn’t. Why are Ireland playing Test cricket? Whatever money they’ve got surely they should be investing into grass roots to try and grow their numbers. The only way to get kids to play the game is in short form. They’re not going to turn up and play red ball all day Saturday, all day Sunday. That’s not going to happen. Every time they’re playing a Test, they lose an enormous amount of money. Again, why would you do that? It makes no sense. Why is Zimbabwe playing Test cricket? They lose money on the broadcast deal, so it makes no sense at all."
One structural change Barclay mooted was a radical change to how the ICC itself is structured. The organisation currently has 12 Full Members - the 12 men's Test playing nations - and over 90 Associate members, with the large majority of funds and power shared between the 12 Full Members. Barclary suggested abolishing Full Membership entirely, and allocating revenue purely on a performance basis.
“The West Indies would say why do we go from full member to 14 associates [if we split into island nations]? But that is about really getting the governance thing right. Cricket is almost unique. You’ve got this group of full members, and you’ve got the rest. Surely just dispense with that and go, OK, someone’s number one, and somebody’s number 120. And you can move up and down, get ranked on performance, on and off the field. The higher up you go, the more money you get, the more exposure you get. And if you’re not performing, then you go down.”
“There’s some structural change that probably needs to be contemplated,” said Barclay. “Some countries are trying to play Test cricket that maybe shouldn’t. Why are Ireland playing Test cricket? Whatever money they’ve got surely they should be investing into grass roots to try and grow their numbers. The only way to get kids to play the game is in short form. They’re not going to turn up and play red ball all day Saturday, all day Sunday. That’s not going to happen. Every time they’re playing a Test, they lose an enormous amount of money. Again, why would you do that? It makes no sense. Why is Zimbabwe playing Test cricket? They lose money on the broadcast deal, so it makes no sense at all."
One structural change Barclay mooted was a radical change to how the ICC itself is structured. The organisation currently has 12 Full Members - the 12 men's Test playing nations - and over 90 Associate members, with the large majority of funds and power shared between the 12 Full Members. Barclary suggested abolishing Full Membership entirely, and allocating revenue purely on a performance basis.
“The West Indies would say why do we go from full member to 14 associates [if we split into island nations]? But that is about really getting the governance thing right. Cricket is almost unique. You’ve got this group of full members, and you’ve got the rest. Surely just dispense with that and go, OK, someone’s number one, and somebody’s number 120. And you can move up and down, get ranked on performance, on and off the field. The higher up you go, the more money you get, the more exposure you get. And if you’re not performing, then you go down.”
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debut: 11/30/17
11,322 runs
In reply to KTom
patnas this does not sound like they don't care to me
Why would Sunil Gavaskar give suggestions about something he doesn't care about
This sounds like wasim akram doesn't care
patnas this does not sound like they don't care to me
Gavaskar feels it's time for the West Indies Cricket Board to take some hard steps
Indian legend Sunil Gavaskar, who faced the West Indies when they were at their prime, reacted to their downfall in modern-day cricket. Gavaskar, who made his debut against the West Indies, said that the West Indies cricket board needs to do something big after the team has suffered from consistent failures across formats. In an interview with the Indian Express, Gavaskar made a bold statement and said that the board should stop giving free money to players who are not performing.
He also said that the WICB should increase the fee for the test players so that more and more players can take this format. Gavaskar said, "If you know the West Indian temperament and you have that much in the bank before you score a run or take a wicket, I am not too sure about a lot of them if it actually matters whether they score runs or not. Because the money is in the bank. My suggestion would be to increase the Test match fees but don’t give them central contracts."
Indian legend Sunil Gavaskar, who faced the West Indies when they were at their prime, reacted to their downfall in modern-day cricket. Gavaskar, who made his debut against the West Indies, said that the West Indies cricket board needs to do something big after the team has suffered from consistent failures across formats. In an interview with the Indian Express, Gavaskar made a bold statement and said that the board should stop giving free money to players who are not performing.
He also said that the WICB should increase the fee for the test players so that more and more players can take this format. Gavaskar said, "If you know the West Indian temperament and you have that much in the bank before you score a run or take a wicket, I am not too sure about a lot of them if it actually matters whether they score runs or not. Because the money is in the bank. My suggestion would be to increase the Test match fees but don’t give them central contracts."
Why would Sunil Gavaskar give suggestions about something he doesn't care about
Wasim Akram, who watched Lara struggle to make runs in Pakistan, believes the responsibility of leadership may inspire him to great batting again. And Lara may just be the man to mould the West Indies team into a functioning unit.
This sounds like wasim akram doesn't care
debut: 11/30/17
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In reply to Larr Pullo
there's a trinidadian journalist who has noticed an increasing trend in cricket media. i'll post the quote
https://wired868.com/2024/04/24/best-berry-wide-of-mark-for-praising-wi-style-yet-blasting-lara/
there's a trinidadian journalist who has noticed an increasing trend in cricket media. i'll post the quote
My biggest criticism of the doyen of Caribbean cricket writers is the unfillable hole he left at his passing. Had he not left us mere weeks short of eight years ago, he would have, I feel, eloquently and convincingly demonstrated the self-centeredness of leaving the ground.
But who nowadays leaps to the defence of West Indians who come under unwarranted attack from the outside world?
But who nowadays leaps to the defence of West Indians who come under unwarranted attack from the outside world?
https://wired868.com/2024/04/24/best-berry-wide-of-mark-for-praising-wi-style-yet-blasting-lara/
debut: 5/6/03
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In reply to Larr Pullo
In reply to Larr Pullo
How is CARICOM unity progressing, is the common man free to move about in member countries?
In reply to Larr Pullo
It doesn't bother y'all that a white man telling y'all that you have nothing in common and should not unite?
How is CARICOM unity progressing, is the common man free to move about in member countries?
debut: 11/26/06
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In reply to Larr Pullo
You know..I just responded and did not read anyone elses'... I aint gonna bother now either...
I would have thought...that the very points you highlighted were sufficient...so I take it your post is rhetorical...ah mean...no one from the West Indies- indeed not this forum ...of all places should be so clueless as to miss that glaring fact.
It doesn't bother y'all that a white man telling y'all that you have nothing in common and should not unite? That doesn't give some of y'all pause and instead you're just agreeing with him?
You know..I just responded and did not read anyone elses'... I aint gonna bother now either...
I would have thought...that the very points you highlighted were sufficient...so I take it your post is rhetorical...ah mean...no one from the West Indies- indeed not this forum ...of all places should be so clueless as to miss that glaring fact.
debut: 11/13/02
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There are 2 main reasons for NOT going it alone.
The first one has already been articulated here. If you think West Indies as a group of nations is too financially poor to compete, what Allyuh think the financial case will be if you go as individual nations?
The second main reason NOT to go it alone would be the resulting lack of international competition.
Individual countries MIGHT get the odd T20I matches thrown their way.
Definitely no test status. Highly unlikely ODI status.
Teams will play against other emerging nations and will have to qualify to play qualifying tournaments for World Cups.
That will be the extent of international competition for the foreseeable future.
1 or 2 teams might do well enough individually to get more top international competition than others…….but even that depends on the goodwill of the same ICC members.
For the country that has a lot of cricketers, where will those that don’t get selected to the first squad now play? What avenue will they have? 1st XI vs 2nd XI?
For all the insularity and discrimination that goes on that causes people to want to say GO IT ALONE……the above are the only real compelling reasons to abandon that thought.
The rest of it about kumbaya, unity, and more in common than differences etc is just fluff.
The first one has already been articulated here. If you think West Indies as a group of nations is too financially poor to compete, what Allyuh think the financial case will be if you go as individual nations?
The second main reason NOT to go it alone would be the resulting lack of international competition.
Individual countries MIGHT get the odd T20I matches thrown their way.
Definitely no test status. Highly unlikely ODI status.
Teams will play against other emerging nations and will have to qualify to play qualifying tournaments for World Cups.
That will be the extent of international competition for the foreseeable future.
1 or 2 teams might do well enough individually to get more top international competition than others…….but even that depends on the goodwill of the same ICC members.
For the country that has a lot of cricketers, where will those that don’t get selected to the first squad now play? What avenue will they have? 1st XI vs 2nd XI?
For all the insularity and discrimination that goes on that causes people to want to say GO IT ALONE……the above are the only real compelling reasons to abandon that thought.
The rest of it about kumbaya, unity, and more in common than differences etc is just fluff.
debut: 11/13/02
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In reply to imusic
It took Bim over 50 years to become a republic; one has to creep before walking.
Canada and the US play more cricket annually than all the Islands combined.
It took Bim over 50 years to become a republic; one has to creep before walking.
Canada and the US play more cricket annually than all the Islands combined.
debut: 11/13/02
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In reply to openning
Against who?
Canada and the US play more cricket annually than all the Islands combined
Against who?
debut: 4/1/07
4,543 runs
In reply to openning
ending the federation was a mistake everyone is now regretting, not only are all these Caribbean countries riddled with debt, but they also do not have the income-generating capacity to provide effectively for their populace let alone repay that debt, Barbados remains one of the most indebted nations of the world with an out-of-control cost of living, Trinidad is now grappling with a huge forex problem as their oil reserves have dwindled, and these are the two investment-grade nations of the Caribbean. Breaking up the West Indies will lead to the loss of valuable income from cricket tours since international cricket will be a thing of the past, the rest of the world is not interested in Barbados vs Uganda and those guys who are suggesting such a break know the value of cricket to the Caribbean and understand what it will do to us, but this is what they want. I see a mass exodus of talent to England and in a few decades we will be begging them to allow us to become colonies again, all this independence and republic stuff would become a joke as the rest of the world laughs at us
the man selling milk will always convince you your milk is bad
team selection will always be a bone of contention, everyone wants their "guy" on the field of play but only 11 can take the field, some will make it some won't. this is not uncommon, Isaiah Thomas is a talented basketballer yet he never played for the USA, it happens
I am sure you know the story of Carl Mullins
you don't break up a team because of insularity, beside i believe insularity will diminish the moment we implement full movement of players and dump national teams
ending the federation was a mistake everyone is now regretting, not only are all these Caribbean countries riddled with debt, but they also do not have the income-generating capacity to provide effectively for their populace let alone repay that debt, Barbados remains one of the most indebted nations of the world with an out-of-control cost of living, Trinidad is now grappling with a huge forex problem as their oil reserves have dwindled, and these are the two investment-grade nations of the Caribbean. Breaking up the West Indies will lead to the loss of valuable income from cricket tours since international cricket will be a thing of the past, the rest of the world is not interested in Barbados vs Uganda and those guys who are suggesting such a break know the value of cricket to the Caribbean and understand what it will do to us, but this is what they want. I see a mass exodus of talent to England and in a few decades we will be begging them to allow us to become colonies again, all this independence and republic stuff would become a joke as the rest of the world laughs at us
the man selling milk will always convince you your milk is bad
team selection will always be a bone of contention, everyone wants their "guy" on the field of play but only 11 can take the field, some will make it some won't. this is not uncommon, Isaiah Thomas is a talented basketballer yet he never played for the USA, it happens
I am sure you know the story of Carl Mullins
you don't break up a team because of insularity, beside i believe insularity will diminish the moment we implement full movement of players and dump national teams
debut: 11/13/02
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In reply to hawk
I am a product of the Barbados Hotel School; I also studied hospitality management.
you should ask the taxi drivers or the restaurants about English visitors during the English series.
Most visitors during that time come with all-inclusive packages. I spent three stays at Almond Beach Club in Christ Church on game days; these guest leave their hotels in chartered buses, along with Sandwiches, juices and snacks.
That sun and sea are to Barbados like Oil and gas to some other countries, and businesses on the Island benefit more from tourists than during a few day's cricket tour by England.
A tourist ship dock for 24 hours benefits the local businesses more so than an English tour.
Surely, the hotels enjoy the few days with the Brits; occupancy is not a concern during that period.
I am a product of the Barbados Hotel School; I also studied hospitality management.
you should ask the taxi drivers or the restaurants about English visitors during the English series.
Most visitors during that time come with all-inclusive packages. I spent three stays at Almond Beach Club in Christ Church on game days; these guest leave their hotels in chartered buses, along with Sandwiches, juices and snacks.
That sun and sea are to Barbados like Oil and gas to some other countries, and businesses on the Island benefit more from tourists than during a few day's cricket tour by England.
A tourist ship dock for 24 hours benefits the local businesses more so than an English tour.
Surely, the hotels enjoy the few days with the Brits; occupancy is not a concern during that period.
debut: 11/30/17
11,322 runs
In reply to hawk
is not as bad as its being made out to be. its an election year so there will be a whole bunch of exaggeration. but yes, gas reserves, which has been the leading export since 2001, has declined thanks to TT being a mature province and the non-negotiation of gas contracts for the entirety of a 5 year period.
YES. but all this analytics yuh going into is overthinking it. WI, which is hardly a drain on the cricket economy because of its size, is not the issue here. the issue is that for some people, that 15 year, 29 series, unbeaten run hurts, almost 30 years since the streak was ended. they rell salty about it and that should make every west indian extremely proud. some people do not want the WI around because they are afraid at some point, there could be a return to the late 70s-early 90s era. by killing the west indies, they would have alleviated that possibility. this is as bad as Mark Nicholas saying gayle and co were short of brains
Trinidad is now grappling with a huge forex problem
is not as bad as its being made out to be. its an election year so there will be a whole bunch of exaggeration. but yes, gas reserves, which has been the leading export since 2001, has declined thanks to TT being a mature province and the non-negotiation of gas contracts for the entirety of a 5 year period.
Breaking up the West Indies will lead to the loss of valuable income from cricket tours since international cricket will be a thing of the past, the rest of the world is not interested in Barbados vs Uganda and those guys who are suggesting such a break know the value of cricket to the Caribbean and understand what it will do to us, but this is what they want.
YES. but all this analytics yuh going into is overthinking it. WI, which is hardly a drain on the cricket economy because of its size, is not the issue here. the issue is that for some people, that 15 year, 29 series, unbeaten run hurts, almost 30 years since the streak was ended. they rell salty about it and that should make every west indian extremely proud. some people do not want the WI around because they are afraid at some point, there could be a return to the late 70s-early 90s era. by killing the west indies, they would have alleviated that possibility. this is as bad as Mark Nicholas saying gayle and co were short of brains
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debut: 4/1/07
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In reply to Jumpstart
this is accurate for sure, ever since that bouncer rule this was the mission, never allow West Indies to dominate world cricket again, I still say we have aided and abetted them in accomplishing this.
as for the forex issue in TnT, to businesses, it isn't good, especially those that need forex to buy raw materials and stock, it has even impacted companies in Barbados, Barbados and TnT are far more economically integrated than people think
for a country like Barbados, whose bread and butter is the tourist dollar, we need cricket tours, especially from India, England and Australia
for some people, that 15 year unbeaten run hurts, almost 30 years since the streak was ended. they rell salty about it and that should make every west indian extremely proud. some people do not want the WI around because they are afraid at some point, there could be a return to the late 70s-early 90s era. by killing the west indies, they would have alleviated that possibility
this is accurate for sure, ever since that bouncer rule this was the mission, never allow West Indies to dominate world cricket again, I still say we have aided and abetted them in accomplishing this.
as for the forex issue in TnT, to businesses, it isn't good, especially those that need forex to buy raw materials and stock, it has even impacted companies in Barbados, Barbados and TnT are far more economically integrated than people think
for a country like Barbados, whose bread and butter is the tourist dollar, we need cricket tours, especially from India, England and Australia
debut: 11/30/17
11,322 runs
In reply to hawk
its easy for manufacturers to get forex, they fall under the EXIM bank facility. a lot of those ppl you see protesting are importers/exporters not manufacturers.
On the point of mark nicholas, he has also suggested the dissolution of the west indies. wolf in sheep's clothing if ever there was one. being maco's best friend and eulogy giver is his ticket to eternal coloredhood. i does read too much to let somebody like that fool me as to their REAL intentions
thing is, WI run had to end at some point. viv, lloyd, greenidge, haynes, kalicharran were irreplaceable players. With the retirements of holding and co, we got almost like for like replacements in ambrose, walsh and bishop, and the west indies was very fortunate in that respect. But as a lot of people like to forget, conveniently, once the batting left, the WI started to lose if lara or adams didn't produce. but you are right again, the west indies should not have gone 30 years in perpetual decline.
its easy for manufacturers to get forex, they fall under the EXIM bank facility. a lot of those ppl you see protesting are importers/exporters not manufacturers.
On the point of mark nicholas, he has also suggested the dissolution of the west indies. wolf in sheep's clothing if ever there was one. being maco's best friend and eulogy giver is his ticket to eternal coloredhood. i does read too much to let somebody like that fool me as to their REAL intentions
this is accurate for sure, ever since that bouncer rule this was the mission, never allow West Indies to dominate world cricket again, I still say we have aided and abetted them in accomplishing this.
thing is, WI run had to end at some point. viv, lloyd, greenidge, haynes, kalicharran were irreplaceable players. With the retirements of holding and co, we got almost like for like replacements in ambrose, walsh and bishop, and the west indies was very fortunate in that respect. But as a lot of people like to forget, conveniently, once the batting left, the WI started to lose if lara or adams didn't produce. but you are right again, the west indies should not have gone 30 years in perpetual decline.
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debut: 4/1/07
4,543 runs
In reply to Jumpstart
we should have put things in place from early, the handwriting was on the wall. so now we are in the doldrums of world cricket, good bowling and poor batting, while I hope this doesn't see the light of day, I am concerned. June of 2028 will be 100 years of Test Cricket for us, hopefully, that centennial test will be against England
The West Indies should not have gone 30 years in perpetual decline.
we should have put things in place from early, the handwriting was on the wall. so now we are in the doldrums of world cricket, good bowling and poor batting, while I hope this doesn't see the light of day, I am concerned. June of 2028 will be 100 years of Test Cricket for us, hopefully, that centennial test will be against England
debut: 5/6/03
57,843 runs
Have you guys ever wondered why some people don't want to reform the system?
debut: 11/14/02
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In reply to hawk
Since you were a part of the Federation ,tell me which Island was to supposed to bear almost 60 per cent
of the financial burden of the Federation...When you respond then I will reply . Go ahead.
Guyana which was British Guiana then was NOT part of the 10 member Federation.
Don't delay. I am ready to dish or lash or bash.
Since you were a part of the Federation ,tell me which Island was to supposed to bear almost 60 per cent
of the financial burden of the Federation...When you respond then I will reply . Go ahead.
Guyana which was British Guiana then was NOT part of the 10 member Federation.
Don't delay. I am ready to dish or lash or bash.
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debut: 11/30/17
11,322 runs
In reply to camos
is dat 15 years bro. that 15 years hurt men to their soul and shred every single inch of supremacist pretentions they had. Even if they're supremacists now, they'll know at the back of their minds that we are all equal in here. that 15 years was the most influential period in cricket's history bar none. As imran khan said once, the 80s West Indies was an event, a freak of history that fundamentally altered everything that would come after it
Have you guys ever wondered why some people don't want to reform the system?
is dat 15 years bro. that 15 years hurt men to their soul and shred every single inch of supremacist pretentions they had. Even if they're supremacists now, they'll know at the back of their minds that we are all equal in here. that 15 years was the most influential period in cricket's history bar none. As imran khan said once, the 80s West Indies was an event, a freak of history that fundamentally altered everything that would come after it
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debut: 5/6/03
57,843 runs
In reply to b4u8me2
If West Indies is broken up and the individual territories receive an equal share of ICC annual disbursement to CWI, each with the exception of Barbados would be better off.
I am trying my very best to understand his quoted statement. If he does not believe the WI is sustainable as a test cricketing nation due to financial implications then how will breaking up help? Isn't each WI territory poorer than a combination or territories?
If West Indies is broken up and the individual territories receive an equal share of ICC annual disbursement to CWI, each with the exception of Barbados would be better off.
debut: 6/12/04
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In reply to Jumpstart
Was the team TnT beat a national team, asking for a Tit friend.
Was the team TnT beat a national team, asking for a Tit friend.
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