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Please give Jangoo a try

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Baje 1/19/25, 11:58:19 AM
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debut: 12/10/02
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He is talented and lefthanded and fearless
voiceofreason 1/19/25, 12:04:39 PM
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debut: 1/20/04
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In reply to Baje

Agreed! I would give Kavem Hodge a rest as he has played 10 matches with 26 ave.
JoeGrine 1/19/25, 12:14:50 PM
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debut: 2/15/09
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He is talented and lefthanded and fearless


Same can be said of all the other lefthanders (as if being left handed adds a few runs to one's average) in the regions and right-handers as well, until..........they get selected and face top-class opposition.

The best football goalkeeper is the reserve 'keeper.
The best batter/bowler is the one who has not yet been selected, especially when they are our homies.
PalsofMine 1/19/25, 12:16:49 PM
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debut: 2/2/23
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In reply to voiceofreason

which is about average for WI batsmen these days. Actually, I would have said either Carty or Greaves. I know that the latter had one good innings against Bangladesh recently but has done nothing with the bat before and since. Carty, who I thought would be a red ball specialist, seems to have adapted better to ODIs than tests. I am reluctant to throw Jangoo into that mess in Pakistan of all places but if he is ready, Carty sits and Greaves sits if Roach is fit.
voiceofreason 1/19/25, 2:29:10 PM
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debut: 1/20/04
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In reply to PalsofMine

Carty has only had 5 test matches to Hodge's 10. I believe he deserves another shot to get it right. I would stay with Greaves after all he just had a century last series. Roach can come in for Sinclair. Personally I would have selected Cornwall as is by far a better spinner than Sinclair.
anthonyp 1/19/25, 3:02:18 PM
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debut: 11/2/09
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Eventually Greaves and Hodge averages will go down... they are not international quality...

In my opinion the only guy that could actually bat in that squad is Athanaze (well he got the potential)... the others are survivors/pokers.

Nothing wrong with playing Jangoo as a specialist batsman in the next match.
Edrich 1/19/25, 3:09:57 PM
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debut: 11/11/24
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In reply to voiceofreason

The 2 that are occupying space right now are Kraig and Louis, Kraig is captain, sit Louis next match.
solidrock 1/19/25, 3:21:17 PM
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debut: 1/16/09
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He deserves a run for the second test.
voiceofreason 1/19/25, 3:31:29 PM
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In reply to Edrich

Do we have any other specialist openers in the team? Those two will remain.
4REALQUICKS 1/19/25, 4:26:48 PM
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My XI for the 2nd Test, if fit:

1. K.Brathwaite (c, for the last time)
2. M.Louis
3. K.Carty
4. K.Hodge
5. A.Athanaze
6. A,Jangoo
7. T.Imlach (w)
8. J.Warrican
9. G.Motie
10. K.Roach
11. J.Seales

Roach for Sinclair, Jangoo for Greaves. After this test match, I would shake things up with a new captain and hopefully, a few players brought in from outside of the current set up.
granite 1/19/25, 4:45:18 PM
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In reply to 4REALQUICKS

Very sensible way to go.
dayne 1/19/25, 4:55:24 PM
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debut: 5/29/07
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In reply to 4REALQUICKS

Who those new players will be? Apart from some of the ODI players, all the others are more inconsistent.
Jumpstart 1/19/25, 5:35:32 PM
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debut: 11/30/17
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I am a trini and I’m saying the selection of Jangoo will change nothing except to destroy a talented player. He will face the same issue as imlach, who is not a better batsman than Da Silva his predecessor. You cannot expect a mountain of runs from a player coming in at no 7 when he’s coming in at 40-80 for the loss of five wickets. The top and middle order put all the pressure on the lower middle order and the tail
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4REALQUICKS 1/19/25, 7:04:56 PM
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debut: 2/16/24
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In reply to dayne

The ODI guys you refer to. The team needs new leadership and an infusion of talent. Some of the most talented players in the region need to be brought into the test side, with immediate effect.

I want to see positive moves and ideas going forward, with a VERY strong focus on issues such as strike rotation from the start of every innings - too often under Kraigg Brathwaite, the bowlers are allowed to easily get control and pressure builds. These days need to be history. I would rather be 100/3 at lunch than 50/2.

Slip catching is another area that needs work.

The pitches have to be improved dramatically - make the West Indies an uncomfortable place to visit for teams, who have to hop around and face the chin music from the pace bowlers again, rather than rolling out another dull track after dull track. What they produced for India on their last tour was an utter disgrace, you would think that they were playing at home.

We could go on...there are so many problems and issues to address...but for me personally, these are among the main points that have to be concentrated on by those in the power seats.
Edrich 1/19/25, 7:40:22 PM
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debut: 11/11/24
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In reply to voiceofreason

Louis Is an up and coming talent, he should give way to mango, only for the next watch, when any team loosing 2 wickets very early, derails the team. It’s a toss up between Casey and Louis makes room for Jangoo, next match.
Logic 1/19/25, 7:45:46 PM
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debut: 6/19/05
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In reply to 4REALQUICKS

What's the basis for dropping Greaves when all the batsmen failed and he was the last batsman to score a century for WI. Also as disappointing as Sinclair was with the ball he still bowled wicket-taking balls and lenghtens the batting. If the next match is played on a similar wicket to the first test Roach would not likely make much of an impact. The most obvious drop for me would be Hodge who struggles to play on the front foot. But Carty who has not yet delivered is an alternative. Jangoo should definitely come in but for the same reason that Greaves should not be dropped. They both had very successful Super 50 tournaments.

If similar conditions as first test Sinclair stays for me. Greaves is most useful with the new ball which he swings naturally away form right hander. Let him bowl 3 of first 6 overs of new ball with Seales. Even consider using Sinclair as first change if left handed opener is still in. Motie needs to get his confidence back and darting new ball at batsmen is not helping him any more than the spate of white ball matches has been. We got beaten badly not just because our batsmen struggled but because Motie lost his way. Needs to rediscover his red ball form
imusic 1/19/25, 8:22:56 PM
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debut: 11/13/02
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Tough to make changes after 1 test……especially in batting on such a pitch

Jangoo is all theoretical speculation. He hasn’t done anything at this level so how he will or won’t perform is all based on theory and one 50 over international inning on a much more batting friendly wicket than this one.

We’re also assuming that the pitch for the 2nd test will be more of the same.

If Jangoo does come in, he can only really come in for Hodge or Carty…..and either would feel hard done by if it happens
Narper 1/19/25, 8:39:16 PM
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debut: 1/4/03
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In reply to imusic

Was it fair to drop VC Josh after a 2-day warm up match?
rillo 1/19/25, 9:28:17 PM
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debut: 11/29/09
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In reply to 4REALQUICKS

Jangoo will not see a game. I have seen too many series that WI have played in and instead of experimenting or going for all the marbles or giving guys a chance who are reserves they STICK with the same loser X1.
I don't care who the manager is. He talks a nice talk but will fall into same "shyte" category by picking the wrong horses for the courses.
rillo 1/19/25, 9:34:01 PM
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In reply to Logic

"Struggled"? Which match did you look at?
WI batsmen CANNOT play quality spin. That is a fact for many years now.
NO WI batsman have taken the time to hire a personal coach or gone to a club to learn the art of playing spin. They make some cheap runs in local shyte competitions and the selectors are all in "awe" .
For days now Pakistan is singing that the pitch will be a spinners paradise. Selectors should have picked batsmen who can play spin decent enough.
None of the top 6 batsmen proved anything except they "cyar play spin".
Jangoo and maybe Josh plays spin better than most who were picked.
I really wish the coach keeps the same team to prove my point.
KarlDitz 1/19/25, 9:38:45 PM
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debut: 12/3/21
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In reply to Baje

Oh please...none of these fellas are talented. They are all the same.
Baje 1/19/25, 10:37:20 PM
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In reply to voiceofreason

I would play Hodge ahead of Carty or Greaves
imusic 1/19/25, 11:23:45 PM
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In reply to Narper

Josh can’t complain. He got a big break…..largely because of his batting.

He’s well liked by the team and management to the point where he’s risen to vice captain and obviously touted for leadership.

His keeping was always a work in progress, but the skillset he was selected for in the first place has deteriorated.

I have no issue with the drop. As I previously said, it may prove to be a blessing in disguise for him.
voiceofreason 1/19/25, 11:34:35 PM
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Dude you all over the place. On one thread you bawling worst batting lineup and now we trying to improve it you bawling Jangoo will get spoilt. Then you throwing shade on Imlach to prop up your boy josh.
GMA 1/19/25, 11:49:00 PM
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debut: 3/1/03
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In reply to Baje

Has to get a go surely for hodge or carty
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