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Trump surrenders Ukraine to Putin...

 
Larr Pullo 2025-02-13 13:24:38 

Where are the Ukraine hitters? This type of betrayal deserves some sort of payback.

 
ray 2025-02-13 14:16:59 

Putin has Trump on his kneesbig grin

 
SEasySix 2025-02-13 15:09:13 

In reply to Larr Pullo

Excuse you?

 
Cheeks 2025-02-13 15:41:19 

DJT lives in a world of winners and losers. Its a simple as that.

This 'no war president' is all about bullying by the strong and capitulation of the perceived weak.

He is a pox on humanity. That guy wishes he could return to slavery days. Its what the second A in MAGA is ALL about.

It is hard to see how his presidency can end well.

 
XDFIX 2025-02-13 16:56:09 

In reply to Larr Pullo

The beauty about America is that they can only afford two dozes of Trump!

The MAGA team was never gonna support Ukraine over Russia, and as Cheeks said, "DJT lives in a world of winners and losers. Its a simple as that."

 
camos 2025-02-13 17:33:16 

this must be reassuring to Tiwan.

 
sudden 2025-02-13 17:39:45 

De Precedent giving away Ukraine hoping to somehow persuade Putin to join USA against China

 
sudden 2025-02-13 17:49:07 

Fallback position- divvy up Europe and the rest among USA, Russia and China

 
embsallie 2025-02-13 19:23:15 

In reply to sudden

I don't think he wants any European Country other than Greenland, so he will let China and Russia fight over them.
Besides he would have already expanded the US borders by getting Canada as the 51st State, taking over Panama and doh forget the GAZA strip.
lol

 
SnoopDog 2025-02-13 19:25:56 

In reply to sudden

When the Dotard betrayed the Kurds back in 2019 that should have been the warning sign for every U.S. ally that Dumbfcukingstan can longer be trusted.

 
carl0002 2025-02-13 19:47:48 

In reply to SnoopDog

Boss if you go down that road there is a whole bunch of sign the US allies missed and it hard to pick which one was more critical.

 
SnoopDog 2025-02-13 19:56:43 

In reply to carl0002

Boss if you go down that road there is a whole bunch of sign the US allies missed and it hard to pick which one was more critical.


For me, it was when this picture was released.

 
carl0002 2025-02-13 20:22:26 

In reply to SnoopDog

And that was only the foreplay big grinbig grinbig grin

 
SnoopDog 2025-02-13 20:23:44 

In reply to carl0002

Don't forget the Moscow Pee Pee tapes. lol

 
KTom 2025-02-13 22:04:38 

I think many Ukrainians (and Palestinians, for that matter) are happy that Trump won and that he's more likely to bring about some sort of peace. Neither Ukraine nor Russia can win, but neither can be seen to back down. Trump being seen to force them to the table is probably what both sides want.

 
sudden 2025-02-13 22:12:06 

In reply to KTom

John Knox,

Trump is the one who is negotiating, if you can call it that, with Putin

Neither Zelenskyy nor NATO is part of the negotiation team

The same goes for Palestine

It is all Trump

 
carl0002 2025-02-13 22:20:50 

In reply to KTom

Ktom where did you get that info that Ukrainians/Palestinians are happy if Trump wins. Not buying it. Trump already indicated in his last admin that he would have let Putin do what ever he wants in Ukraine. Bomb the hell outa them he said. Now he want to turn the Palestinians homeland into a resort and deport them, who would be happy with that. Mek it make sense for me please.

 
KTom 2025-02-13 22:23:23 

In reply to sudden

Do you think Ukraine can win this war? What's your endgame apart from an imperfect peace?

 
sudden 2025-02-13 22:25:55 

In reply to KTom

Those are questions you should answer honestly before posting Shoite

 
KTom 2025-02-13 22:26:02 

In reply to carl0002

Do you think Ukrainians and Palestinians are happy fighting wars they cannot win?

 
carl0002 2025-02-13 22:36:25 

In reply to KTom

A Trump win results in these people losing all or portions of their homeland. That is guaranteed. Are you saying that they welcome such a result as oppose to fighting for it? And Trump is not forcing anyone to the table. Its straight up capitulation going on cause he declaring Russia win and keep all of Ukraine's land. That's not negotiation.

 
KTom 2025-02-13 22:41:41 

In reply to carl0002

They lost part of their homeland in 2014. They'll just lose a bit more. But, overall, the war will be seen as a bigger defeat for Russia.

 
Slipfeeler 2025-02-14 00:16:24 

In reply to Larr Pullo

Trump surrendering while giving everyone the impression that he is winning or the best business dealer. He surrenders Ukraine to Russia and surrenders Gaza to Israel and himself.

 
camos 2025-02-14 14:36:49 

In reply to KTom

But, overall, the war will be seen as a bigger defeat for Russia.
by whom, so why EU up in arms?

 
VIX 2025-02-14 15:56:25 

so allyuh don't find it diabolical that Trump sanctioning the INternational criminal court and its members?
All in the name of protecting Putin and Netanyahu???

 
sudden 2025-02-14 16:00:27 

In reply to VIX

no- USA problems

 
KTom 2025-02-15 15:14:49 

In reply to camos

But, overall, the war will be seen as a bigger defeat for Russia.
by whom, so why EU up in arms?


By the Russians themselves, surely. Their manpower casualties are thought to be in the region of 100-150 thousand dead, perhaps 3x that injured (and those are just the physical scars). Factor in the demographic shortfall caused by a fall in the birthrate (both in the immediate and the longer term) and the concomitant losses to their Ukrainian Slavic brothers, this is a self-inflicted wound of major proportions. Putin cares about this stuff.

Aside from their human losses, the military itself has taken a severe blow to its pride and prestige. Who could spin this a military victory or believe that the prospect of an invasion of the Baltics or Poland would be anything but a fantasy? The Russian war machine has been crippled and embarrassed whilst NATO suffered zero losses. And what does it actually matter if Ukraine is in NATO or not when the country will be more Western-orientated than ever? How popular do you think Russian tourists and businesses will be in Ukraine for the foreseeable future? The bitterness of war can last for generations.

And on the Russian political and economic fronts? Need I go there?

 
camos 2025-02-15 17:53:51 

In reply to KTom

By the Russians themselves, surely. Their manpower casualties are thought to be in the region of 100-150 thousand dead, perhaps 3x that injured (and those are just the physical scars)


How many million people living in the territory they will now gain?

I will agree that their military short comings were exposed, but they also gained invaluable battlefield experience. Turkey and Cyprus are the two tourists' destinations for Russians.

 
camos 2025-02-15 22:31:53 

Media reports say that comments by US Special Representative Keith Kellogg that he does not see Europe at the table for Ukraine have raised concerns among EU officials, including European Council President António Costa.[quote]
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U.S. Special Representative for Ukraine and Russia Keith Kellogg said he does not see Europe physically at the table for Ukraine negotiations.



After all the Europeans did in that war, they are probably now sorry they cancelled those gas deals.

 
bravos 2025-02-16 02:51:28 

Their military short comings were exposed ? It was the opposite..Oreshnik among others, the mastering of drone warfare, F-16s shot down, Abrahams tanks and Bradleys etc destroyed like never before, Patriot and other systems decimated by the grap! Which war were you guys observing ? Russia.cannot be defeated and they can take losses, nothing has changed really.

Russia has always been on the right side of wars historically and have always been victorious . The expansionist NATO cannot defeat Russia and will be stopped in their tracks very early if they try, Carriers and bases are sitting ducks in this new warfare.

And Russia will always have the home advantage because they will always be home defending sitting on hypersonic missile systems, unlike USNATO and their useless carrier groups . This isn't 1940s..

 
bravos 2025-02-16 02:53:36 

In reality they can't even try that with Iran , they will have to stay home with those floating graves and patrol the Atlantic .

 
XDFIX 2025-02-16 07:13:37 

In reply to bravos

If any of these world leaders draw bad card - the nuclear option would be the game-changer! A lose-lose situation!

 
bravos 2025-02-16 13:23:23 

In reply to XDFIX

Yeah they foolish..learned nothing..but there are sane heads among them who would try to mangage conflicts accordingly. Personally I think humans should be smarter but we're not, primals always gets the best of us, backward really..and religion doesn't help, it creates an entitlement that throws reason and basic decency out the window.

Having said that I would trust Putin over Trump any day with the Nuclear button. Putin is by far one of the greatest leaders of the 21st century along with Xi ,recent and current Western leaders are clowns .

 
dayne 2025-02-16 13:38:04 

In reply to bravos

Well, I would not call Putin and Trump leaders, misleaders might be a more appropriate description. Both are callous.

 
sudden 2025-02-16 13:40:14 

let me ask you this- why is Russia hard to defeat as you say? has Russia ever lost a war?

what makes Putin and Xi great leaders?

would you want Putin or Xi ruling TnT?

 
camos 2025-02-16 13:41:43 

In reply to bravos

Their military short comings were exposed ? It was the opposite..Oreshnik among others, the mastering of drone warfare, F-16s shot down, Abrahams tanks and Bradleys etc destroyed like never before, Patriot and other systems decimated by the grap! Which war were you guys observing ? Russia.cannot be defeated and they can take losses, nothing has changed really.


Please be aware that all equipment supplied to Ukraine by the US are export versions, which would not have all the capabilities of those given to US forces. Russia turning to Iran for drones did not look good, the intermediate range missiles once Biden allowed Ukraine to use them in Russia was devastating!

 
bravos 2025-02-16 13:45:11 

In reply to dayne

Putin is way ahead of Trump bro..forget their respective political systems and norms etc. Putin commands respect, Trump yearns for attention ..

 
bravos 2025-02-16 13:56:55 

In reply to camos

Russia was more proactive and you need help at times in large scale war, the US uses Chinese parts in some of their systems. China recently sanctioned that arrangement.

But bro stop falling for that nonsense, US equipment were advanced in the 80s 90s and early 2000s ..Abrahams are overatrd junk today in the new battlefield so are bradleys, so is patriot and many other systems. You gotta look beyond msm for proper info, I mean it's really unfortunate that intelligent people would repeat that nonsense, so they gave them weapons to fail ? What features were missing ? Only an invisibilty cloak covering heat signature also could save them, oh and China already has a version of that for personnel .

The USA and the West are not the most advanced anymore , just accept it bro, I did and it's kinda fun.

 
bravos 2025-02-16 14:06:16 

In reply to sudden

I'll take Xi or Putin over Trump or Harris any day, and T&T is a dot with different dynamics but i would take them in a heartbeat today ! Last time i checked Russia and especially China are among the safest countries in the world where you can do as you please, just know your place, just like how most of us live like nothing happening in T&T despite the bloodshed, well we know our place and step around the bodies and live our lives.

I would take a Xi or Putin today over Kamla or Rowley any day ! ..

What is freedom to you ? Choosing between 2 losers ? Time for organized progress, China's citizens are now the most advanced people in the world, people need to be saved from themselves and once the leadership is kind thoughtful and progressive I have no ussue with forced education and enlightening. Humans are mostly impulsive primates that need to tow the line at times .

 
bravos 2025-02-16 14:37:01 

What many don't realize is China especially in the not too distant future would be so advanced that there will be no need for any strong arm enforcement , people dont seem to realize they're witnessing an evolution in large scale personal development in China facilitated and promoted by the leadership while the US and the west devolves and decay in their 'freedom' anarchy .

Time to wisen up .

 
sudden 2025-02-16 14:37:35 

In reply to bravos

conveniently you didnt answer all of what i asked but thats ok. i understand.

china and russia if i am reading you are close to utopia and all their citizens are happy or close to being happy, am i right?

if that is true, did you ever consider how they arrived at that point?

and if you think they are right for TnT, why didnt you support Abu Bakr?

 
sudden 2025-02-16 14:40:19 

In reply to bravos

Pardna, stop behaving as though you are the only one who has discovered something.

what you are saying has been discussed here already

countries (empires) rise and empires fall

 
bravos 2025-02-16 14:55:13 

In reply to sudden


if that is true, did you ever consider how they arrived at that point?


How did the US arrive at their 'point' ? And where does the point end or begin ?

 
bravos 2025-02-16 14:57:56 

In reply to sudden

what you are saying has been discussed here already


Ok that's what I thought, so I was a bit surprised by your engagement above, seemed kinda elementary to me.

 
sudden 2025-02-16 15:01:18 

In reply to bravos

those are elements that you should have considered when you made your argument.

China nor the USA didnt just arrive today.

if you dont mind TnT being ruled by a Putin or Xi you must be prepared to grow through some growing pains to arrive there.

the question is- are you willing to do that?

but it seems to me that we are losing the plot here.

i asked you some questions and you only answered one

why was that?

 
bravos 2025-02-16 15:15:29 

In reply to sudden

Bro the arrival of most 'countries' has been messy historically. I am dealing with what's infront of us today as a world, on the ground. Its not about hypothetics , it's about reality now . There's no plot to lose or win, it's a simple case of 'res ipsa loquitor' .

 
sudden 2025-02-16 16:11:05 

In reply to bravos

you are quoting Latin to me ? big grin

non semper ea sunt quae videntur

in addition, without the past there is no present, if you know what i mean

 
Cheeks 2025-02-17 00:33:24 

The song and dance and deflection and not so subtle argument shift is noted...and its funny. smile

 
bravos 2025-02-17 02:03:31 

In reply to sudden

smile cool

 
bravos 2025-02-17 02:04:07 

In reply to Cheeks

What's crass Trump.up to these days ? Meem even following dat really..

 
bravos 2025-02-17 02:38:30 

Oh before I go let me leave this here ..

 
KTom 2025-02-17 14:55:28 

In reply to camos


How many million people living in the territory they will now gain?


Very few. Most of the population have been evacuated. All the Russians will inherit is a series of devastated towns and ciites. Do you think any of the former residents will be in a hurry to return? Maybe the Russians will be happy to swap most of it back for the part of the Kursk oblast that the Ukrainians currently hold.

I will agree that their military short comings were exposed,


I make no pretensions to military expertise or of the fine detail of this conflict, so couldn't even venture an evaluation of Russia's military performance, beyond saying that when a much bigger army attacks a neighbour and evidently fails to secure its main objectives (whatever they are) after three years, then the outcome can only be deemed a failure.

The Russian military might well point the finger at their political leadership. Back in early 2022, I like many people simply discounted the idea of a Russian invasion - seeing the build-up as mere sabre-rattling for domestic consumption - on the basis that, against a modern army with months to prepare and informed by the best Western intelligence, traditional assaults with tanks, etc. are practically doomed to failure.

Turkey and Cyprus are the two tourists' destinations for Russians.


It's less about tourism and more about the historical/family/ethnic bonds that tie these people. I saw a William Blake quote the other day: It is easier to forgive an enemy than to forgive a friend. Once the conflict is over, and the rest of the world moves on, this bitterness willl endure.

 
bravos 2025-02-18 02:28:05 

In reply to KTom

"Rare Earth Minerals' bro, Donetsk etc wink

 
XDFIX 2025-02-18 21:19:24 

In reply to sudden

"Russia has historically lost several wars, most notably the Russo-Japanese War (1904-1905), where Japan decisively defeated Russia, marking a significant humiliation for the Russian Empire; other notable losses include the Crimean War against Western powers and the Soviet-Afghan War, where the Soviet Union faced a protracted and ultimately unsuccessful insurgency."

 
camos 2025-02-19 14:11:49 

How about Trump now claiming Ukraine started the war?big grin

 
sudden 2025-02-19 14:58:13 

In reply to XDFIX

In case you dont know, i never ask a question to which i dont know the answer or have an idea of what the answer cant be

 
sgtdjones 2025-02-19 16:06:14 

......

Then psuedo Sodden....so you know everything, huh?
It makes me think of the old spinsters in the villages who were well-versed in everyone's affairs.

You claim Jumpy is Ramnarine, and such is false.

He is a young man doing a civil Engineering degree

I know Dinas..

 
hubert 2025-02-19 17:12:42 

In reply to camos

Never could guess that DonCon could surpass any lies..but this Ukraine one
tops his hundreds and is more than funny. Not a peep from his MAGA/GOP people.
lollol
we are in real deep doo doo.

 
Brerzerk 2025-02-20 20:16:37 

Deep indeed Sir Hube! Then one has to wonder how many Murcans are as deluded/mis or uninformed or just plainly wilfully crazy as Bravos! SovietUnion(Russia) won The Afghan invasion, scrambling to buy drones from Iran/ using untested North Koreans and prison birds to fight shows war expertise, ingenuity and triumph? 250,000 dead vs Ukraines 47,000.... SMH.