Trump surrenders Ukraine to Putin...

In reply to VIX

no- USA problems

In reply to camos


By the Russians themselves, surely. Their manpower casualties are thought to be in the region of 100-150 thousand dead, perhaps 3x that injured (and those are just the physical scars). Factor in the demographic shortfall caused by a fall in the birthrate (both in the immediate and the longer term) and the concomitant losses to their Ukrainian Slavic brothers, this is a self-inflicted wound of major proportions. Putin cares about this stuff.

Aside from their human losses, the military itself has taken a severe blow to its pride and prestige. Who could spin this a military victory or believe that the prospect of an invasion of the Baltics or Poland would be anything but a fantasy? The Russian war machine has been crippled and embarrassed whilst NATO suffered zero losses. And what does it actually matter if Ukraine is in NATO or not when the country will be more Western-orientated than ever? How popular do you think Russian tourists and businesses will be in Ukraine for the foreseeable future? The bitterness of war can last for generations.

And on the Russian political and economic fronts? Need I go there?

In reply to KTom



How many million people living in the territory they will now gain?

I will agree that their military short comings were exposed, but they also gained invaluable battlefield experience. Turkey and Cyprus are the two tourists' destinations for Russians.

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After all the Europeans did in that war, they are probably now sorry they cancelled those gas deals.

Their military short comings were exposed ? It was the opposite..Oreshnik among others, the mastering of drone warfare, F-16s shot down, Abrahams tanks and Bradleys etc destroyed like never before, Patriot and other systems decimated by the grap! Which war were you guys observing ? Russia.cannot be defeated and they can take losses, nothing has changed really.

Russia has always been on the right side of wars historically and have always been victorious . The expansionist NATO cannot defeat Russia and will be stopped in their tracks very early if they try, Carriers and bases are sitting ducks in this new warfare.

And Russia will always have the home advantage because they will always be home defending sitting on hypersonic missile systems, unlike USNATO and their useless carrier groups . This isn't 1940s..

In reality they can't even try that with Iran , they will have to stay home with those floating graves and patrol the Atlantic .

In reply to bravos

If any of these world leaders draw bad card - the nuclear option would be the game-changer! A lose-lose situation!

In reply to XDFIX

Yeah they foolish..learned nothing..but there are sane heads among them who would try to mangage conflicts accordingly. Personally I think humans should be smarter but we're not, primals always gets the best of us, backward really..and religion doesn't help, it creates an entitlement that throws reason and basic decency out the window.

Having said that I would trust Putin over Trump any day with the Nuclear button. Putin is by far one of the greatest leaders of the 21st century along with Xi ,recent and current Western leaders are clowns .

In reply to bravos

Well, I would not call Putin and Trump leaders, misleaders might be a more appropriate description. Both are callous.

let me ask you this- why is Russia hard to defeat as you say? has Russia ever lost a war?

what makes Putin and Xi great leaders?

would you want Putin or Xi ruling TnT?

In reply to bravos



Please be aware that all equipment supplied to Ukraine by the US are export versions, which would not have all the capabilities of those given to US forces. Russia turning to Iran for drones did not look good, the intermediate range missiles once Biden allowed Ukraine to use them in Russia was devastating!

In reply to dayne

Putin is way ahead of Trump bro..forget their respective political systems and norms etc. Putin commands respect, Trump yearns for attention ..

In reply to camos

Russia was more proactive and you need help at times in large scale war, the US uses Chinese parts in some of their systems. China recently sanctioned that arrangement.

But bro stop falling for that nonsense, US equipment were advanced in the 80s 90s and early 2000s ..Abrahams are overatrd junk today in the new battlefield so are bradleys, so is patriot and many other systems. You gotta look beyond msm for proper info, I mean it's really unfortunate that intelligent people would repeat that nonsense, so they gave them weapons to fail ? What features were missing ? Only an invisibilty cloak covering heat signature also could save them, oh and China already has a version of that for personnel .

The USA and the West are not the most advanced anymore , just accept it bro, I did and it's kinda fun.

In reply to sudden

I'll take Xi or Putin over Trump or Harris any day, and T&T is a dot with different dynamics but i would take them in a heartbeat today ! Last time i checked Russia and especially China are among the safest countries in the world where you can do as you please, just know your place, just like how most of us live like nothing happening in T&T despite the bloodshed, well we know our place and step around the bodies and live our lives.

I would take a Xi or Putin today over Kamla or Rowley any day ! ..

What is freedom to you ? Choosing between 2 losers ? Time for organized progress, China's citizens are now the most advanced people in the world, people need to be saved from themselves and once the leadership is kind thoughtful and progressive I have no ussue with forced education and enlightening. Humans are mostly impulsive primates that need to tow the line at times .

What many don't realize is China especially in the not too distant future would be so advanced that there will be no need for any strong arm enforcement , people dont seem to realize they're witnessing an evolution in large scale personal development in China facilitated and promoted by the leadership while the US and the west devolves and decay in their 'freedom' anarchy .

Time to wisen up .

In reply to bravos

conveniently you didnt answer all of what i asked but thats ok. i understand.

china and russia if i am reading you are close to utopia and all their citizens are happy or close to being happy, am i right?

if that is true, did you ever consider how they arrived at that point?

and if you think they are right for TnT, why didnt you support Abu Bakr?

In reply to bravos

Pardna, stop behaving as though you are the only one who has discovered something.

what you are saying has been discussed here already

countries (empires) rise and empires fall

In reply to sudden




How did the US arrive at their 'point' ? And where does the point end or begin ?

In reply to sudden



Ok that's what I thought, so I was a bit surprised by your engagement above, seemed kinda elementary to me.

In reply to bravos

those are elements that you should have considered when you made your argument.

China nor the USA didnt just arrive today.

if you dont mind TnT being ruled by a Putin or Xi you must be prepared to grow through some growing pains to arrive there.

the question is- are you willing to do that?

but it seems to me that we are losing the plot here.

i asked you some questions and you only answered one

why was that?

In reply to sudden

Bro the arrival of most 'countries' has been messy historically. I am dealing with what's infront of us today as a world, on the ground. Its not about hypothetics , it's about reality now . There's no plot to lose or win, it's a simple case of 'res ipsa loquitor' .

In reply to bravos

you are quoting Latin to me ?

non semper ea sunt quae videntur

in addition, without the past there is no present, if you know what i mean

The song and dance and deflection and not so subtle argument shift is noted...and its funny.

In reply to sudden

In reply to Cheeks

What's crass Trump.up to these days ? Meem even following dat really..