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Not liking this about Sammy

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b4u8me2 6/15/25, 9:40:13 PM
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Sammy owns the good but blames the players for the bad. He took credit when Powell as captain won a few series. He then blames and got rid of Powell after losing a couple series. He then makes Hope captain when Hope was not a first choice in the T20 team.

Now what do we have, we have the WI fans being lied to about the process for selecting the test captain. I say we are being lied to because why is it that the same process was not used to select the new T20 captain and a new ODI captain. They only come up with a process when it suits them to cover Sammy's selection. Had Hope agreed to be test captain there would be no interviews and no psychometric testing. It is all a farce to explain why Chase got back into the team with a test average as low as the others who have been discarded.

Why shortlist Da Silva as a potential captain when he was not even selected in any of the two A team squads for the 4 day games? Is it that Sammy was afraid Da Silva would score a century and he would then have no excuse why he has left him out the squad but has recalled Hope who has done absolutely nothing in the longer format to merit a recall? I don't care how good he is in ODI cricket. He has not show that he is any good in red ball cricket and he has done nothing in red ball cricket since being dropped from the test side to show any improvement to merit a recall. People bash Da Silva whose batting average is 25 but whose main role was to keep wicket, while praising Hope with a batting average of 25 whose main role is to bat. The hypocrisy.

Since Hope score 90 not out against Zimbabwe in October 2017, he played 24 more test matches up to November 2021 and only passed 50 again twice in 46 innings. He has done nothing since in the longer format to merit a recall to test team. Hope's average in ODIs since January 2024 is 36, which is a far cry from his average of over 51 up to December 2023. His ODI batting has, therefore, been on the decline and cannot merit his recall into the test team.
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Conorboy 6/15/25, 10:29:57 PM
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In reply to b4u8me2

Everything here is very hard to disagree with, think you nailed it and understand the mind and hypocrisy of the current regime.
voiceofreason 6/15/25, 10:58:56 PM
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It is amazing that allyuh bawling about Da Silva when Jahmar Hamilton had similar returns and has only played one TEST match yet nobody mentions him! Look allyuhh hush about hypocrisy you hear!
b4u8me2 6/15/25, 11:22:50 PM
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It is amazing that allyuh bawling about Da Silva when Jahmar Hamilton had similar returns and has only played one TEST match yet nobody mentions him! Look allyuhh hush about hypocrisy you hear!



Da Silva was cited as one example for comparison. If you wish to cite Jamar Hamilton as another example, then do so. But where is the hypocrisy in citing Da Silva as an example?
natty_forever 6/15/25, 11:25:42 PM
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In reply to voiceofreason

So help me put here, because they didn't for Hamilton, they shouldn't for Da SILVA?
Kay 6/16/25, 12:19:27 AM
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Now what do we have, we have the WI fans being lied to about the process for selecting the test captain. I say we are being lied to because why is it that the same process was not used to select the new T20 captain and a new ODI captain. They only come up with a process when it suits them to cover Sammy's selection.

I am glad you touched on process for selection.

Remember how Sammy was selected for head coach? The job was advertised with criteria that applicants had to satisfy before applying. Candidates who met those criteria applied but Sammy who did not meet what can be considered the most important criteria got the nod over the other applicants.

So what goes on now in the name of process should not be surprising to anyone ......
voiceofreason 6/16/25, 12:34:39 AM
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Da Silva has a -25 test average after 33 Tests. Ok he came back and scored a lot of runs in R4D but we have seen this before from Josh. He scores heavily at Regionals then very little at Test level. He is not the only one a matter of fact that has been a common theme in WI cricket for a while so what does that tell you? That means that we cannot use R4D performances as the only criteria so they have expanded this to include international performances in white ball cricket so that is where Hope comes in.

WI already had a ODI captain and the ODI side was starting to show some signs of progress so for the sake of continuity it would make sense to have him as T20I cap. We had lost two consecutive T20I series at home to England then Bangla so I guess they saw the need for shake up.
natty_forever 6/16/25, 12:58:05 AM
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In reply to voiceofreason

This is hilarious.
Jumpstart 6/16/25, 2:05:01 AM
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Da Silva has a -25 test average after 33 Tests. Ok he came back and scored a lot of runs in R4D but we have seen this before from Josh. He scores heavily at Regionals then very little at Test level

josh's test average is not dissimilar from the last 3 wicket keepers that have represented the west indies in the last ten years......The top order is extraordinarily poor. Kraigg averages 33, Shai hope who was there for 38 tests averages 25, so too does roston chase and jaon holder. people coming in at 40-70 for the loss of five wickets cannot be expected to succeed on a consistent basis. but you know that already.....your only concern is how many dots make the side, regardless of the erosion of every single one of the WI's teams.
b4u8me2 6/16/25, 2:36:28 AM
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Spot on Kay
voiceofreason 6/16/25, 2:40:57 AM
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Yes and your concern is what exactly? Are you saying that we should continue with the same mediocrity for another 33 tests or should we give someone else a chance? Imlach is from Guyana, Shai is from Barbados and so is Rosto so what is your point?

Athanaze and Hodge both have 23 + averages are you hearing me championing their return to the Test team? They both deserved to be dropped. Btw Athanaze is far more talented than Josh and Hodge.
natty_forever 6/16/25, 2:43:02 AM
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And how did you come to that conclusion?
voiceofreason 6/16/25, 2:52:45 AM
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That Athanaze is far more talented than the both? Ask Brian Lara, don't take my word for it.
natty_forever 6/16/25, 2:53:45 AM
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In reply to voiceofreason

Dwl. He mentioned Tage in that conversation. Thought you had some more stats to back that.
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PalsofMine 6/16/25, 3:40:07 AM
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in what universe is Athanaze far more talented than Tarnish? Josh has scored many centuries in A team cricket and at regional level. Athanaze had one good year at regionals and was very average prior to and after that. He is the most hyped player currently in WI cricket. Bravo was discarded to give him a chance and what has he done? Test average in the low 20s. Athanaze is one two pretty shot and out. Also without the leadership qualities that Tarnish has shown over and over.
imusic 6/16/25, 3:51:01 AM
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It is amazing that allyuh bawling about Da Silva when Jahmar Hamilton had similar returns and has only played one TEST match yet nobody mentions him! Look allyuhh hush about hypocrisy you hear!

Since you want to compare……Doesn’t DaSilva have a test batting average that’s 5 times more than Hamilton’s? cool
Onionman0 6/16/25, 4:39:24 AM
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In reply to b4u8me2

All this crap started .......when Skerritt administration appointed Sammy.....in a very farcical and non transparent method.......Press release was about 100 applications....but Sammy despite not meeting advertisement eligibility criteria was selected.....
This Shallow administration, which is simply an extension of Skerritt Administration......Again, without any transparent and legal process appointed Sammy as All formats Coach....

CWI started this...Sammy is simply following his master's.....
JoeGrine 6/16/25, 10:09:52 AM
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your only concern is how many dots make the side, regardless of the erosion of every single one of the WI's teams.


SHOTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT!!!!!!
buds 6/16/25, 10:33:31 AM
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Get off it man! What bush weed are you smoking? You have always been desperate but, give it a break!
camos 6/16/25, 12:47:10 PM
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In reply to voiceofreason

That Athanaze is far more talented than the both? Ask Brian Lara, don't take my word for it
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Lara thought Ganga was talented!smile
JoeGrine 6/16/25, 1:38:09 PM
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Athanaze does have talent, however, like the rest of the talented ones in the region (King, S. Hope etc.), they are left on their own to nurture said talent. There are not many English League options as was the case in the 70s and frankly, the players today are not as driven as back then.

On the other point, Hamilton is on a line behind DaSilva for anyone who is without bias and picking a WI Test team.
voiceofreason 6/16/25, 2:25:35 PM
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Since you want to compare……Doesn’t DaSilva have a test batting average that’s 5 times more than Hamilton’s?

How can you compare a batsman with 33 tests with one who has only played 1 test? Where is the outcry for Hamilton???
voiceofreason 6/16/25, 2:44:32 PM
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Yet, Hamilton is a better Wicketkeeper than Dasilva and he has only played one test.
voiceofreason 6/16/25, 2:46:15 PM
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In reply to PalsofMine

You clearly do not understand what the difference between talent and application of the talent.
natty_forever 6/16/25, 4:20:58 PM
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His opinion out weighs the facts. He only sees through insular glasses.
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