Andy Roberts is 100% correct

Now dem calling on Clive, Viv, Brian et al.
To hell with the entire “we don’t need stars” posse. They thought they were the stars - ah well.
An ignominious defeat is kind.

But what’s calling the Stars really going to do …whether they were called now or before?

Are they going to transform into coaches? Give motivational speeches? Give advice on effective sledging? What…??

In reply to Da-Vincy

calling these stars is the biggest joke I heard in a long time, this is a next waist of many, in a desperate situation clutching at straws, they continue to look for a magical formula, no one wants to do the hard work of building (planting) and nurturing

In reply to Da-Vincy

They could start by giving batting clinics. Lara in particular can be employed as a batting consultant. Better late than not at all. Do we have to be so negative and cynical about everything? That is part of our problem- the rampant negativity and cynicism.

Did CWI not have Viv, Marshall, Gordon, Logie, Kanhai, Ambrose, Walsh, as coaches, Lloyd, Haynes, Sarwan,Harper, Butts, Carew as selectors. Hall, Teddy Griffith and Big Bird as administrators, Lara, Sobers, Viv, Dujon, Hooper, Gibbs, as consultants. Jimmy as Doc.

The only legends we did not had were George, Frank, Everton, Clyde and 'JC'.

In reply to Da-Vincy

I agree with you 100%, especially Viv and LLoyd they are 70plus.

In reply to tc1

VOR will argue but Sammy was not the coach then to implement whatever was suggested by the stars

In reply to voiceofreason


Clinics are group sessions, not seeing the flaws of each player and assisting the player.
Viv spent many hours practicing when he was home, during the Stanford tournament, my buddy told me of several Stanford Antigua team, owing Stanford money for various contract problems.
Stanford had to stop the rules that he put into the contracts.
How many of our players want to hit balls for six hours consistently, working on one area that is giving problems?

In reply to WI_cricfan

Our problems are deeper than Sammy or CWI, I feel it's a break down in our society, but I am not a Social scientist.

In reply to openning

Agreed that the players too have to give the effort. Look we obviously got the bowling right, and to a lesser extent the fielding, now for the batting.

In reply to voiceofreason

We don't know if we got the bowling right, the tracks were totally bowler friendly, imaging a trundler like Greaves getting wks at avg of 23.00 . Jason and Kemar would have an avg of 10.00.

In reply to openning



Why should the players have to work hard on their game if the Head coach doesn't have to work hard for basic coaching credentials?

In reply to Trex
Well said

Calling on the legends and prayer will not make a difference. Neither will blaming Sammy. At the end of the day, 11 men had to face the music and all were found lacking. Sammy's choice was the international players. None of them were able to handle test cricket effectively (noted King made the highest score for the series but still ended with an average of 21.5 which means that his other scores were generally woeful). It is a FACT that we simply are not up to international standard as a test team and this is not a Board or coaching problem. It is a talent problem.

In reply to Chrissy

no it isnt

and coming from him (Trex), it is quite silly

In reply to voiceofreason

Some of these same legends apparently offerred to be at the team's training camp before the series but were not invited.

In reply to sudden

How is it silly demanding that coaches must be properly qualified for the Head Coaching position?

In reply to Trex



when you were in UWI, had you learned that one of your lecturers wasnt credentialed, would that have stopped you from working or working hard in that subject?

equally, it is silly to think that professional players would allow a coach's qualification or lack thereof to determine whether they work on their game

and on the flip side, we have had qualified coaches before, did that cause the players to work hard on their game?

In reply to sudden


maybe in the social sciences, where the skillset is more intellectual. for example, most people who graduate with degrees in history, literature and especially economics(these days) doh understand it at all. they're very good at passing an exam. in fact i'd argue that understanding those require more critical thinking skills that the physical sciences, whose laws are set in stone. if someone wasn't accredited in engineering or some other physical science, i'd have a problem. as a general rule(i say that in light of the fact that the best electrical and electronics engineer in Trinidad that i know does not have a degree. his father was also a renowned engineer who designed electronic components for airlines).

A certified Sammy would not have made one IOTA of a difference.

NONE of the certified anybodies we've tried in the last 24 years has managed to move the players arriving at TEST / international level forward.

Why? Because the cricketers who arrive at FC level in the WI set up are ill prepared to be there.

WI are not taking the hard decisions across the Caribbean to really redo the cricket from ground up. It will get worse until....

In reply to tc1

Nailed it.....
This act of calling up Lloyd,Viv et al..... political move...
As head of CWI....for last 6 years....vice president & president.....how many committee reports lying in dustbin.....how much implemented.....Last committee report after West Indies failed to qualify T-20 world cup...Lara and others recommended... Seperate red ball & white ball coaches......just two years, thereafter,Sammy appointed all formats coach....

Exactly. Do they expect Lara to say something different now?

Taking up Cumberland's point, what we need is a cricket school. Similar to the football schools in Europe where teenagers who are interested in the sport can go to school, do their academics etc and also focus on cricket as part of the curriculum. This could be a private sector effort and the various boards can send their best players on scholarship to that institution which hopefully will turn out guys who are properly conditioned for international cricket or at least for a career as a professional cricketer

In reply to Jumpstart



What a load of shoite!! (Credit: Sudden).

After the 5 one t20s all the squads should be summoned back to Sabina park, the grounds men should be asked to prepare the exact pitch, and that’s where they should learn to bat.
I heard in the interview with the captain, he said they are going to India and those wickets are conducive to spin so they are going to practice to bat spin. My friend practice to bat period… India has some of the best pacers too lol.

In reply to tc1
It is both