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Hunte, Cameroon,Skerritt,Shallow. Worst Who?

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sudden 7/25/25, 9:26:56 PM
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In reply to Brerzerk

i happen to know that a certain person was asking players to sabotage any working relationship with WICB, purposely engage in and report back personal conversations with WICB directors, to be belligerent unnecessarily to WICB directors, and to bully neutral players into doing certain things detrimental to WI cricket.

so even though a lot of blame must be apportioned to WICB, WIPA and certain players must be blamed too
carl0002 7/25/25, 9:39:44 PM
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In reply to Jumpstart

Sarwan destroyed his own career, where you get this revisionist history.
Brerzerk 7/25/25, 9:53:21 PM
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Sarwan won a case vs CWI, he proved that he was assigned a fail grade for a fitness test not administered. That he could and should overcome that is debatable. Regarding "sabotage" where does the buck stop, who created the hostile environment? In life (business, marriage etc) you just swap one set of shortcomings for another and often the ones you know and can/are working with are better than what you swapped them for.
sgtdjones 7/25/25, 10:12:43 PM
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In reply to Edrich

Thanks to hunt and Hilliard for putting together the world cup teams of 2012 &2016.
Now Shallow has brought back cricket to Jamaica.


Oh, put together, did they select and coach the players?

One didn't know if we were playing for the trophy in the hastily arranged tour of England.

The other said he knew nothing about cricket. Then we are winning by the first innings?
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Jumpstart 7/26/25, 12:57:51 AM
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Sarwan won a case vs CWI, he proved that he was assigned a fail grade for a fitness test not administered. That he could and should overcome that is debatable. Regarding "sabotage" where does the buck stop, who created the hostile environment? In life (business, marriage etc) you just swap one set of shortcomings for another and often the ones you know and can/are working with are better than what you swapped them for.

EXACTLY. these jokers feel the REAL west indies fans don't know history and Sarwan's case is very recent history.
DIEHARD 7/26/25, 1:17:54 AM
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In reply to Jumpstart

They in their seemingly insurmountable stupidity crashed a team that was clearly improving(first team to not lose a test series in nz in 13 years, first team to win a test in SA, drawing a sri lanka series we were widely expected to lose, with Ramnaresh Sarwan scoring one of the best centuries you will ever see against world class spin on a turning track, winning the wisden trophy for the first time in 11 years, winning an odi series in england for the first time in 23 years). this was followed by the legacy of players chosen to captain(floyd and Sammy) and the selection of under strength teams. Any test side from 2009-2015 that did not include sarwan, gayle, dwayne bravo, denesh ramdin, chris gayle, darren bravo and jerome taylor was a 2nd string side. And chris gayle was the first test captain since Clive to unite the team under one banne
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Your hammer just shatter the nail Bro. This is it, nothing else needs to be said.

The misguided belief that getting rid of stars was the solution, hastened the end, had that team been allowed to develop and reach it's full potential, who knows which young athlete would have been drawn to the game by a winning team and now be representing WI
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Jumpstart 7/26/25, 1:30:29 AM
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In reply to DIEHARD

exactly. i remember ducking out of university to watch the WI chase in QPO in the final test of the 09 series. WI just needed to draw to win the series. Amd panesar and Graeme Swann were really bowling aggressively and had virtually dismantled most of the attack. taylor was injured so he wasn't there and we all knew he could bat. Denesh Ramdin and Fidel Edwards stood up for close to two hours defending the 1-0 lead. Only baker was after and he couldn't bat. long story short fidel blocked the penultimate delivery and england ceded the test because they couldnt win rom there. I remember watching the presentation from the mound thinking the WI has a really good team. only for the idiocy of the board to destroy it a few weeks later....and it wasn't only me. Some excerpts from the series coverage
"Never believe those reports that said cricket in the Caribbean was dying. It was just in mourning for the passing of the good days. The people still loved the game, nursed their hurt, and waited for fortunes to change… The image of the West Indian players and people in celebration was utterly captivating. It was like the good old bad old days when the West Indian fast men terrorised the world."
Simon Wilde is put in mind of the 80s

West Indian cricket is supposed to be in its death throes, overwhelmed by shifts of culture and values and the disappearance of great men like those Herculean bowlers and batsmen of the quality of Viv Richards and Brian Lara. Yet now, under the quirky but ultimately cool leadership of a batsman like Chris Gayle, who has shown he knows the importance of building an advantage, we see a cricketing Lazarus.

"From the ramshackle Kingston pavilion on the one side of the ground, round past the George Headley Stand, to the thumping sound systems of the 'Mound', there was the unmistakable feeling that something lost had been found."
Mike Atherton has felt it before, and was happy to see the West Indian hostility back

It genuinely felt like a turning point, not just because we had pummeled England, but because oF the results that came before. Gayle as skipper and Sarwan as his deputy were the last men to unite the West Indies team under a common banner. if the WICB wasn't so dumb, by 2012, west indies would have had a pace attack like this: taylor,. edwards, rampaul, Roach and a very tall effective spinner in Suleiman Benn who has a five for down under.......that would trouble any batsman anywhere......and in the wings would have been gabriel, holder, alzarri, seales and finally shamar. the batting would have been gayle, powell, sarwan, samuels dj and darren bravo, brendan nash, chanderpaul and ramdin. again, batting that would have performed. and you would have had extremely talented players like hope, chase, dowrich and others around the team getting experience so nobody had to come in to international cricket learning on the job
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DIEHARD 7/26/25, 1:48:59 AM
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In reply to Jumpstart

I know this was the real watershed moment that undid all the good work done up to that point, put us firmly on the path to irrelevance and mediocrity, and it permanently changed my relationship with WI cricket.

I mention the impact it had on me because I'm sure it impacted other fans and supporters as well.

Got fed up of watching us consistently lose with less than our best players, the CWI held our cricket hostage for a good 6 years or so, irreparable damage
sudden 7/26/25, 1:52:12 AM
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The same Sarwan that Brian Lara dropped for being lethargic?

Yeah uunnuh really know about WI cricket?

Yeah, right

The same Sarwan who was cappo, got injured, Gayle took over and when Sarwan came back, Gayle De Don decided to keep the captaincy and Sarwan hid his tail between his legs and had to back Gayle

And if I remember correctly, Sarwan won his case becos of technical errors by the coach who did not document the remedial steps he gave Sarwan to follow. This, arguably, was the overall responsibility of the coach but not his direct duty. The documenting of the conversation and remedies should have been the function of the assistant coach or some other person eg clerk or human resource person
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Jumpstart 7/26/25, 1:57:43 AM
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In reply to DIEHARD
sarwan was 28,
and chris gayle was only 29 when we won that series, sarwan turned 30 just after the series ended, dj bravo was 26, ramndin was 25, Taylor was 25, edwards was 27, rampaul was 25....tiger and nash were the only guys over 30 and clearly age did not impede them. I remember Asafa powel talking about JA athletics and how tough the 2004 olympics were despite VCB 's gold medal. But he always said he wasn't worried because they were building and by 2008, Jamaica took over athletics completely. WICB does not realize a team is not an overnight project
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Jumpstart 7/26/25, 2:03:30 AM
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The same Sarwan who was cappo, got injured, Gayle took over and when Sarwan came back, Gayle De Don decided to keep the captaincy and Sarwan hid his tail between his legs and had to back Gayle

the same Ramnaresh Ronnie Sarwan who scored 626 runs against england(3 hundreds, including an almost triple century against flintoff, harmison, SB, Broad and anderson)). The same ramnaresh sarwan who scored a match winning hundred against murali and vaas at QPO on a 5th day pitch. breds get an iota of sense or do some research before you come here with these rabid nonsensical meanderings
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sudden 7/26/25, 2:11:37 AM
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The same Sarwan who Lara dropped for being lethargic

Hang yuh hat on that
Jumpstart 7/26/25, 2:14:31 AM
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In reply to sudden

steuppps....you are pathetic
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DIEHARD 7/26/25, 2:18:11 AM
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The really sad part is, they did know it would not be an overnight project, but then they chose the absolutely most ridiculous way to try and do it, one fueled by spite, bad-mind, selfishness and stupidity...not the best interest of WI cricket.
Jumpstart 7/26/25, 2:24:42 AM
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And if I remember correctly, Sarwan won his case becos of technical errors by the coach who did not document the remedial steps he gave Sarwan to follow. This, arguably, was the overall responsibility of the coach but not his direct duty. The documenting of the conversation and remedies should have been the function of the assistant coach or some other person eg clerk or human resource person
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that is rubbish....ey you so absurd, you could be the chief propaganda officer for the DPRK.
Sarwan called up Hilaire for clarification, and in his testimony during the arbitration, Sarwan mentioned Hilaire had not been forthcoming. "Dr. Hilaire still refused to let Mr. Sarwan know what he meant by his words in his letter and, further, stated that 'if I don't change my attitude, my career would end', and then he hung up the phone," Jairam noted in his final judgement. Hiliare, who did not testify during the arbitration, denied that Sarwan was "threatened" in any way, as was reported during the hearing.

"Mr. Sarwan had a telephone conversation with Dr. Hilaire relating to the letter. Mr. Sarwan, in that telephone conversation, contested that he was unfit and argued that the team physiotherapist and fitness trainer did not like him," the WICB said. "Dr. Hilaire defended the professionalism of the staff. Mr. Sarwan was told that he would need to satisfy team management that he was sufficiently fit to play."

Sarwan noted the indifference of the West Indies team management during the Australian tour when at one stage he was denied an MRI scan; he eventually had it done, with the charges being borne by Cricket Australia. Then, during the home series against South Africa in 2010, Sarwan picked up a hamstring injury but was told by West Indies coach Ottis Gibson that he was not in charge of the matter and the physio was the best man to deal with it. Sarwan sponsored his own trips to Florida and later Canada to get treatment.

While delivering the verdict, Jairam said he wasn't in any doubt that the WICB had treated Sarwan unfairly, and that the board's selection process and the appraisal procedure were far from transparent. Accordingly, he awarded Sarwan the following damages: $95,000 as damages for loss of retainer (original claim $120,000), $20,000 as damages for breach of contract (claim: $40,000), $18,000 for loss of provident fund contributions given his age (claim: $18,000), $13,000 as damages for loss of publicity/reputation (claim: $15,000), and $15,000.00 under his claim for further or other relief.


Sarwan was not the only player to get money from the WICB that year. The Lendl Simmons judgement
In another setback to the WICB, opening batsman Lendl Simmons was awarded $117,203 in damages through arbitration in a case the player had filed against the board. Simmons, who is part of West Indies squad for the World Twenty20, had sought WIPA's help last year after he was rendered jobless despite having a valid contract with WICB between October 1, 2009 and September 30, 2010.
After Simmons missed the ODI series against Zimbabwe (March 2010), World Twenty20 (April 2010), West Indies A against Zimbabwe (May 2010) and Bangladesh (May-June 2010), South Africa series (June-July 2010) and West Indies A tour of England and Ireland, WIPA checked with the WICB if Simmons was facing any disciplinary issues. WICB said that was not the case.
However, Clyde Butts, the West Indies chairman of selectors, told the Caribbean Media Corporation that Simmons had some "issues" other than those related to performance. WIPA alleged that this had served Simmons badly as it had impacted his livelihood, "his professional reputation and has hampered his ability to procure and exploit other commercial and business ventures and future employment."
Having heard both sides, Seenath Jairam, the arbitrator, awarded the damages for the same set of the clauses he had ruled on during the Ramnaresh Sarwan judgement.


facts are stubborn things
sudden 7/26/25, 2:27:36 AM
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Did you read the judgment or hear the case?
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methodic 7/26/25, 2:29:55 AM
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Cameron was the worst
Jumpstart 7/26/25, 2:30:05 AM
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The West Indies Cricket Board (WICB) has apologised for public statements made about the arbitrator of a dispute between the WICB and middle order batsman Ramnaresh Sarwan. A statement released by the WICB yesterday expressed deepest and sincere regret and comes in the wake of threats by Arbitrator Seenath Jairam to take legal action.


The WICB statement had accused Jairam of preventing WICB lawyers from cross-examining Sarwan during a hearing to resolve the dispute and also accused him of being unfair in his ruling. "The conduct of the arbitration by Mr Jairam SC was in all respects fair and proper and the WICB unequivocally retracts any statement or impression to the contrary which may have been given by its previous statement and in an interview between our former Chief Executive Officer, Dr Ernest Hilaire and the hosts of The Zone, a sports programme broadcast on SportsMax," said the WICB statement.

tail between their legs. The wicb under hunte and hillaire didn't understand that a minnow is still a minnow even if its viewed from the perspective of a convex lens.
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sudden 7/26/25, 2:31:35 AM
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Did you read the judgment or hear the case?
Jumpstart 7/26/25, 2:33:30 AM
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In reply to sudden

don't need to. the wicb groveled and apologized.
sudden 7/26/25, 2:34:57 AM
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Therefore you know nothing of the technical details
Jumpstart 7/26/25, 2:37:34 AM
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i know the WICB had to pay the man. and that they tried to fight the arbitrator who threatened to sue them and they went away with their tails between their legs. if its a technicality, the the WICB hires the dunciest lawyers in the region because they never win any cases.....lost to desmond haynes in 1995 for is non selection for the 95 world championship series, lost to sarwan, lost to simmons L;, lost to Phil Simmons....have they won anything?
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sudden 7/26/25, 2:38:40 AM
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Therefore you know nothing of the technical details
Jumpstart 7/26/25, 2:40:40 AM
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as i said you are pathetic....militaristic servitude of the highest order. congrats on maintaining a proud tradition
sudden 7/26/25, 2:41:23 AM
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Therefore you know nothing of the technical details of the case
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