Duj is on Mason’s programme now

In reply to Seechy


exactly. as i've said on this thread, i stood up on the mound where the Dos Santos stand used to be(it was demolished for being structurally unsound) with my mom during the presentation. 3 Canal were right behind us with some angry and very drunk english guys getting rell picong to our left. and both of us thought this was the start of something special. and as the history shows, the pacemen would have come....roach would terrorize australia later that year(sending ponting to hospital during the perth test), rampaul would arrive as a master of reverse swing, Gabriel would debut in 2012, holder a year later, alzarri three years later.....none of those guys would have had to debut in an environment where they were learning on the job, which is how their careers panned out.

In reply to tc1

Bro, there were instan es in both those towers won thar the team would've been stronger if another player replaced Sammy. Co-cappos were Ramdin, Gayle, Bravo and even Samuel's. Sammy's runs and wkts were significant in roughly 2 of 8 matches. As for Edrich the site was certainly better off without that presence

In reply to Brerzerk

As for Edrich the site was certainly better off without that presence

Did Sammy receive more venom than Gayle, Samuels, Dillon, Darren Powell etc.?

In reply to tc1

Thanks for acknowledging the past comments were ignorant and should not have been said.
On the issue of Sammy's performance, can we agree that as captain he won 2 wc period.

In reply to tc1

Dunga won a world cup as brazil skipper as well.............and their is no figure in brazilian football more reviled than him.....sammy was a talentless passenger

In reply to camos

did any of those you mentioned were called ugly or donkey?

In reply to tc1

if pollard and narine were fit for the 2016 world cup, there would have been a legitimate argument against Sammy not even being part of the starting XI

In reply to Jumpstart

Ganga , Gayle, Pollard and Bravo were talented, did they won one WC as captains. I am not defending Sammy as a cricketer. He was capt when WI won 2 WC and you cannot take it away from him.

In reply to tc1

Firstly, the 2009 WT20 happened before Trinidad went to the champions league and changed t20 cricket forever. despite this, WI still reached the semi finals of the 2009 edition and only lost to a GOAT Sri Lanka side that would still cause most of the team horrors in the 2012 edition. The one person who mastered that SL T20 team, Marlon Nathaniel Samuels, was not in the 2009 team. That he came back wasn't at the special request of Sammy. Samuels, as unfocussed as he was, was a player of immense ability and was a shoe-in into any WI team once that ban had elapsed. If Samuels was in that 2009 semi final, we can't assume they'd have not got him early, but judging from that genius performance against malinga and co, we definitely cannot rule it out. Sammy was an apendage in those victories. he was the spokesman...nothing more...nothing less. as i said........between gayle, bravo and jerome taylor, there are two world cups, an icc champions trophy and a champions trophy runners' up medal. Both sides were filled with Championship pedigree. Gayle himself was the leading run scorer in the 2006 champions trophy in india. They are consummate professionals, they didn't need sammy to guide them to a title


And stop disrespecting Ganga. West Indies don't have a t20 title if he didn't revolutionize t20 cricket with the TTO team. Who does sammy copy from if Ganga didn't captain trinidad in india

In reply to Jumpstart

'IF' Pollard is supposition.

In reply to Jumpstart

The father of t20 captains wow you guys drink some serious koolaid atime

Honestly

In reply to tc1

so you're arguing now that sammy was a better player than pollard?

In reply to Halliwell


you cannot underestimate ganga's role in the success of west indies t20 cricket breds. if yuh doh like the man...cool. almost all of the TT team didn't like him either(especially after the law degree), but his contribution is without doubt. Daren Ganga changed t20 cricket....undoubtedly. He created a style of t20 cricket that dominated the world for over a decade

In reply to Jumpstart

Ganga was a great captain for Trinidad

In reply to Jumpstart

Pollard and Sammy both interchangeable

In reply to methodic

In reply to tc1

Thanks for the explanation, I apologize,. She is only a half racist, but a hate monger.

In reply to Jumpstart

Brother,

Ganga copied what New Zealand and Sri Lanka used to do; he also did the obvious thing against the islands that packed hard hitting openers in regionals. Pinch hitters opening and using the pace on the ball from seamers…not a new concept.

Maybe it was 10 or 15 years before you all were aware

You can’t say Ganga changed T20 cricket, trying something and winning nothing…then in the same breath cuss Sammy for trying what Lanka and NZ did and winning many things.

Joe Root bowled at Gayle and Charles in a World Cup final powerplay. Did Ganga teach them also?

If I put a mid off and mid on this weekend as skippa, am I copying WG Grace, the grandfather of revolutionising putting 2 men straight??

Saying people don’t like Ganga because he get some law degree from UWI is like saying Jumpsy doan like Sammy because he is San Lushan.

In reply to Halliwell


that had been forgotten. the last a team used a spinner in the powerplay legitimately was NZ using deepak patel in the powerplay in the 92 world cup(wasn't around then but there are highlights and tv6 used to repeat matches every saturday). The next time after that was Hansie cronje opening with an offie in a benefit match on their 97 india tour that wasn't even broadcasted internationally and found to be a fix. When sri lanka won in 96, they opened with two seamers, wickramasinghe and Vaas. opening with a spinner just wasn't something done. just like sacrificing dot balls on the alter of big hitting. When pollard blew away NSW in the champions league, nsw really thought they had made a steep target, on a ground that was one of the bigger indian grounds, the kotla. even the commie on cricinfo said it was a tough ask. yet still we won with 9 balls to spare. teams weren't doing that before

In reply to Jumpstart


He might argue that $ammy has a test ton, made in Hingland to boot. Oh, I enjoyed every ball he played in that knock.

Oh, and $ammy even returned a 7-fer in the 2nd inning of his test debut.

This while Pollard didn't even play a single test.

In reply to Jumpstart

Apart from CHG, can you share the international ranking for the players mentioned?
Many West Indies players played league and county cricket; the ones who performed at the International level were always the talk of the town. Does playing in the IPL make a player great?

You guys look at the players' bank books and call them great, but the world sees these players during the ICC tournaments and know they are not what you and others think of them.

I was never a T20 fan; it reminds me of Sunday cricket and West Indies six and out, tell us these players are no different from the present lot.
Marlon Samuels needs a gold medal, with RTN being the player of the final.
BTW, which player from T&T won the POS in the T20 WC?

Some people really don't have anything to argue about... yall seriously going at it over Pollard and Sammy?

Two mediocre cricketers?

Pollard, like Sammy should consider himself lucky to play so many matches for WI. De man averaged less than 25 after 100+ ODIs...

Bits and pieces players will not win you matches.
Who are the bowling and batting All-rounders?

Russell, Pollard, Holder, Sammy, RTN, Rutherford, Shepherd, Chase,

In reply to openning

kieron pollard is a millionaire because hes a bits and pieces cricket...while , chase, kraigg and a host of other west indian players have to wait on CWI table scraps because they have no employment opportunities outside of the west indies. if thats the way, then i want my son to be a bits and pieces cricket for sure