When a fitness trainer is enough of an incompetent ass to try to work against his charges instead of with them to achieve the goals, he is destined to engender their mistrust and alienation, causing his agenda to fail.

When a trainer fails to understand that these are MEN...not boys, and fails to respect them, he is doomed to fail.

They might not be very good cricketers, but they are MEN...and they make money for the WICB....win or lose. Plenty money.

The nature and language of that "report" say that it was written by someone who never had any respect for the people with whom he was supposed to work and thus attached no value to whatever they had to say about his programs.

Thus, instead of listening to them and trying to achieve reasonable compromise, he obviously preferred to try to inflict his will upon them...with inevitable results.

Instead of trying persuasion, he preferred to try coercion, only to find out that the tail nuh wag the dog. People don't pay to watch fitness trainer...they pay to watch cricketers.

So he find out the price of cocoa and write report, and allyuh bitching here.

Who more likely to go...failed fitness trainers, or cricketers - winning or losing.

Allyuh fools realise that the WICB just make 11.5 million from losing cricketers, with much more to follow?

How much allyuh think they will make from fitness trainer - succed or fail?

Allyuh set ah dotish asses.

These are our heroes, the cricketers we adore and hope that one day they will bring us glory….. What arses we all are. These folks do not need a coach, or a trainer. They need a MASSA to kick their arses, and drill them into shape to fight the fight that is needed so that they can stand with the Aussies in the same arena or come close to standing next to our real West Indian heroes of old.

The old boys had the same facilities or worse to deal with and delivered the best the world has ever seen in Cricket. What else do these morons want? I am sure WIPA could answer that – Actually they probably already have a contract asking for increased compensation for injuries…..

Our ignominious heroes

Men are boys. Look around. This board proves it ten times over, every day.

In reply to redbaron



Except for Bravo who apparently can't make an informed choice on eating either chicken, rice and veggies or 12 strawberry popsicles for dinner .

In reply to Rovdawg



Stop lying of course he can. He call up DiBass and DiBass inform him which choice to make.

Thereby he make "informed" choice!

If this report was published sometime ago we could have saved the embarrasment in the World Cup Tournament. I recomend that the WICB get a coach with military background. I suggest these players be fined at least 50% of thier match fees for poor conditioning. I also recomend that the West Indies provide better facilites for the players. If them can't or unwilling to change attitude drop them and get youngsters who have the right attitude. Cut the politics out of the cricket.

Everyone who thinks that the training regime causing injuries missing the whole point of the report. It is because the player came to camp unfit why they are get injured during camp. Every professional player in the US have a professional trainer that keep them fit. Even high school prospects have personal trainers. Windies players don't understand what it means to be a professional athlete. All they want to do is show up, play little cricket, pickup them check, go dance and look woman.

I may be dumb as every one else here but this is not the first time I am hearing about players resisting training regimen. I think sometime back it was mentioned what Walsh did on his own and versus some players who dont do anything prior to and after training camp. Ive heard it happened in Logie's time, Harpers time etc so these here may just be continuing the trend to the further detriment of Windies cricket.

I would hope these guys are not resisting out of laziness which I doubt since some of them have had County etc contracts and have to train there. Shiv saw the difference intense training and fitness brought him better scores and improved fielding.

In any case the Euro cricketers miles ahead of us in fitness and game preparation and the India and now Pak team taking clues from them and have improved. Its why we are in 8th place in all rankings and Bang soon will pass us. WICB has to establish a fitness center in each region with a trainer equipped with the knowledge on cricket training methods.

We boys want more beers and women 8)

Pls note that Dr Mansingh was there only because he was the invited guest of Ricky Skerritt. He was not there because the WICB arranged for him to be there. And you will recall in st Kitts that he was called upon to attend to Shiv. Go back and read the Skerritt 3-part interview.

In reply to Yamfoot

When you have time check Chrissy's journalist thread for reply to your post.

Am interested in what your response will be, you being one of the better journalists who post here, IMO.

In reply to wanchaps



Let's assume that piece of crap is true.

So tell us - what kind of incompetent idiot calling himself fitness trainer will inflict a training regime on people he knows to be unfit such as to injure them?

If that was true and he was any good, wouldn't he say to the player "you are not fit and have to do gradual exercise (or whatever) to avoid getting injured by fitness training"?

Isn't a fitness trainer required to assess the fitness level of his charges BEFORE deciding on fitness training regime for them...precisely to avoid unncessary injury?

How come allyuh doesn't know when allyuh chatting shit and I does be able to see that so easy?

How come allyuh cyah smell a dead rat that stinking to high heaven...or, to be more accurate, a red herring?

No fitness trainer can sell me that load of crap. If they come to camp unfit, fitness trainer job is to get them fit... without causing injury...by FIRST assessing fitness levels and THEN applying fitness traiing regime to suit.

No wonder the players write off his incompetent ass. Causing injury to players and then saying they get injured becuase they were not fit.

The brass of that idiot con man...what the ass is his job, then...if not to get them fit? If they come to camp fit, he have any job?

The greater wonder is his how dumb...how gullible allyuh people are, to be taken in by that red herring.

Well said RB, well said.

Of course after a few bad losses the natural reaction is to try and just blame the players for being lazy. The underlying assumption is that once hard discipline is imposed on them as if they were errant school children our results will instantly improve. All the while we ignore the fact that the facilities are woefully inadequate and these same lazy players are not even afforded the services of a masseur.

I am sure that there are one or two players who are genuinely lazy. It takes a lot of mental discipline to keep hitting the gym day after day. However there is more going on here than just that.

The onus was one BK and his Australian staff to raise the fitness level of the players gradually and in a manner in which the players would buy into his ideas. Instead he immediately thrust the players into an intense fitness programme to the point where players did become fatigued and injured. The players honestly felt that their performance on the field was suffering and worse they were sustaining injury from overload. Once that happened it was inevitable that they would not be committed to the programmes that BK were pushing.

You can talk all the theory you want but if the players actual experience is that the fitness program is having the opposite of the desired effect. ie performance is decreasing then they will not be committed to the program... and without committment it is inevitable that they will not follow the program to the level that the coaches mandated.

So any finger of blame must fall on the coaching staff in adition to the players.

look, the problem is that outside of tours, there is no accountability. The players can slack off as much as they want to when they are back home, and there is no consequence.

Every time that the trainer gets players to a certain fitness level, they go back and lapse. As previous trainers have said, if you come in at a low fitness level, it is harder to bring you up to optimal fitness in time for the tour.

So what are you suggesting? That the players must be allowed to report to camp unfit, be allowed to play and be allowed to dictate the terms of their training sessions? THAT is crap!

there must be some consequence to being unfit at the time of selection. Who not fit, don't go pon tour. Simple as that. I am sure with all dem players dem have in the West Indies, dem must can come up with a suitable 13 - 15.

Is time for dis dictator mentality from the players to stop!

You will soon learn who the stars of fitness are, in addition to the ones you have read in the front page article.

In reply to Yamfoot

You go Yammie. These facting people just wanna blame the trainer cuz it is easier than to criticize their favorite player(s)