redbaron

You wrote... "what kind of incompetent idiot calling himself fitness trainer will inflict a training regime on people he knows to be unfit such as to injure them?"

You will obviously not be swayed by logic, but just in case... The first question is why would the players show up to camp unfit. They have a responsibility to show up to camp in shape... that's their job. If I'm a lawyer can I show up to course to defend somebody's life and not read over their file? Can a doctor not stay current on his journal reading and try to practice medicine? Can a plumber show up to your job without a wrench?

Accountability cuts all ways. WICB needs to be accountable and the players need to be accountable. Unlike you, I'm not willing to be so close to the players as to collect their stool samples to prove that you boy Bravo eating nothing but sugar? The truth is the truth. I'm not criticizing him really if he just gets his act together and move on... grow up.

I know for a fact that all the players are given individualized workout regimens to undergo when they are not with the team. The players have to take a certain amount of pride in themselves to follow through on what's required of them.

Anyone who can blame the Windies shameful performance on Bennett King is just willful and bad minded. The team played poorly early on, and later on just looked like they quit. No pride.

To whom much is given much is expected.

Them guys get what? Upwards of $140 grand each to appear in the world cup and play like that?

In reply to primedog

Ah wish I knew how much England players get.....and the Indians and the pakistanis

In reply to FuzzyWuzzy

I don't think it make any difference what the players fromn the other countries made. India and Pakistan have their own issues to deal with after being bumped out in the first round.

This issue here is really about Windies. A post mortem so to speak just before the dying victim is removed from life support.

Losing is one thing. Showing no fight is another, and failing to prepare is yet another.

In reply to primedog



The first question is if it's true that they show up unfit. So far we have only the word of a failed firness trainer who has to offer excuses for his failure so he's not going to be the best source of truth in the matter.

He is far more likely to say what would make him look good and try to shift blame instead of taking responsibility for his failure.

Therefore, unlike you shyte-swallowing fools, I take what he says with a pinch of salt.

But let's, for argument sake, assume that he's telling the truth and that they did show up unfit. Does that erase his responsibility to:

1. DETERMINE WHAT LEVEL OF FITNESS THEY WERE AT

2. IMPLEMENT A FITNESS TRAINING PROGRAM TO TAKE THEM FROM THAT LEVEL TO THE DESIRED LEVEL WITHOUT CAUSING INJURY

3. REPORT THAT HE DID THAT INSTEAD OF REPORTING THAT HIS ILL-ADVISED AND BADLY IMPLEMENTED FITNESS TRAINING REGIMES CAUSED INJURY TO THE PLAYERS BECUASE THEY WERE NOT FIT

Tell me - how the ass can a fitness trainer worth his salt come to tell we that he injured his charges with fitness training because they were not fit?

When did he discover that they were not fit...before, or after he imposed inappropriate fitness training on unfit players?

Hello, idiot fitness trainer - if they were fit they would not need you. That's your job - to find them unfit and make them fit...not to bitch that they were not fit and to injure them.

But the much bigger idiots are you people who fail to understand that and give the time of day to that pretender fitness trainer who nuh seem to know his ass from a hole in the ground.

There are so many holes in his excuse-making offering that it amazes me that you fools would swallow his crap so easily - no questions asked.

Allyuh worse than he.

In reply to redbaron

When a fitness trainer is enough of an incompetent ass to try to work against his charges instead of with them to achieve the goals, he is destined to engender their mistrust and alienation, causing his agenda to fail.


I have been reading your contribution to these forums now for quite sometime, and eventhough I found at time that you were a little off, I oftentimes enjoy what you have to say, however, this one takes the cake. You have to let some go, I love the West Indies and I would forever be a supporter but you really cannot defend this bunch. There is no need to seek evidence the truth is right before your very eyes, these guys have no pride. As an aside, I really don't like how he tried to rope Lara into his assault on Bravo. We know that Lara favours Bravo but I don't think that that was neccessary.

In reply to primedog



You fool, nobody blaming the losses on PretenderKing...leastways, not me.

I am quite clear in my mind that that team would lose a lot in this WC because of the many shyte hounds failures included in the squad and the lack of any improvement over the past 3 years.

I was always clear about that - PretenderKing or not.

What people are saying is that he was hired, paid very handsomely and given wide ranging powers that no previous coach had so that he would improve the performance of the WI cricket team.

You will agree that that has not happened, and if anything, things have gotten worse since he took over, culminating in WC losses instead of wins - what he was hired to produce.

Thus, since he has failed to do what he was hired to do and has had enough time to do it, he must go, and take his bridal retinue with him.

Regardless of what the players issues are, PretenderKing and his bridesmaids have failed and the WICBanduits have wasted another $million with no benefit to WI cricket.

What part of that too hard for you to understand?

In reply to truebaj



That is typical of the inability of the shallow-brained people here to follow a discussion.

Fool....this:



..does not defend anyone. It is an attempt to try to get foolish people of lesser intelligence here to understand how good interpersonal relationships play a vital part in the success of a fitness training program, and that the winning of trust is absoultelly essential to that success.

If you unable to discuss at that level and you only capable of "defend this bunch" simpleton shyte, don't bother me. I'm not partial to wasting my time on simpletons.

I don't need to defend "this bunch", as you call them. "This bunch", you idiot, good, bad or horrible, are the ONLY PEOPLE essential to WI cricket - cricketers. That simple fact seems to defeat your intelligence.

It totally escapes you and the other fools that while many presidents, CEOs, coaches, trainers, managers, selectors, etc, etc have been discarded over the years, many of "this bunch" still around. Why?

Because they play cricket and those others don't. It's that simple.

And that's why I don't have to defend them...they defend themselves adequately.

In reply to truebaj



List all the things they need to be proud of and let's discuss them.

Remember...they from a region that has so little pride and so little shame that it allows a dishonorary white blood money traitor to black people in general, caribbean people in particular and WI cricket to criticise cricketers who, as badly as they play, have never betrayed their country and their people for blood money.

Nary a voice among those of you who want those guys to have "pride" is raised against that fugging dishonorary white MC traitor when he disses mediocre but loyal cricketers. That is how much pride allyuh have.

Now tell me again...what they must have pride for? For allyuh lovers of dishonorary whites?

Allyuh fugging hypocrites. Allyuh pride up in allyuh arses.

Is this man serious? Mi granny. Its like a criminal blaming the police who catch him for being in jail.
So the lazy, well-paid asshats who show up for the series unfit can blame the coach for wukking them too hard, while eating a diet of mostly sugar!

Man, if this is what passes for reasoning in WI cricket, we are truly doomed!

Ask yourself what would happen if Australian players tried to pull this crap!
They would never play for Australia again-and not a soul would miss them or defend them!

Go deh St Kitts.

In reply to cwry
Such a damning report should have strengthened the
WICB's hand into taking action against the lazy bunch
but like in the past these matters are just swept
under the carpet and the team's performance gets
worse(r) and worse(r).

But I believe and hope that the disastrous performance
of the team in the WC and the outrage of the Caribbean
people will force the Board to bite the bullet and drop
all the slackers and pick a new team for Egl.

In reply to redbaron
What do you do with grown men, who deal with their responsibilities like children? Treat them as such! Whether they be black, red, yellow green or white, and that goes for the person who has to treat them like children. I'm sure the great white Hype did run them into the ground after the showed up unfit for camp, as he should have. Run their arses into the ground, mek dem feel pain, mek dem realise the WI cricket fan must be shown some respect. The players and yourself seem to think is dem run WI cricket. Is not dem and is not d board, is we, is we working hard (harder dan dem) to earn we money to pay and go watch dem. If we weren't so interested in their success or failure there would be no WICB or team. They soon realise when these piss poor performances completely alienate us. It has already started to happen