In reply to anandgb

it's incredible that there is even a debate going on over whether or not the players should be held responsible for their own fitness!!!!!

Too many vested interests I guess, some vested in Lara, some vested in discrediting coach, some invested in bringing down the board.

Anyone BUT the players should be responsible. :roll:

Well said Tilto ..Skurt and Redarse cannot accept reality..we need a new look team a new leader and new fcaking players how much worse can hey really be. I am disappointed with the players totally

In reply to Admin I saw the West Indies pre-game preparation in Guyana and it was appalling and I now see what is going on if this report is the whole story. The patients running the asylum. Their approach in Guyana was most unprofessional and lackadaisical and when you looked at the otherside of the field at the Sri Lankans they looked a professional disciplined unit. Based on this report we have for the most part an entire team revolting from training we have a bunch of immature unprofessional morons representing the West Indies!!!!

Has been going on for years its like a bunch of renegades against a professional army.

In reply to Yamfoot

I whoeheartedly agree with what you have said .

But unknown to the morons on this MB , it is a fact that when a person is physically tired , their mental thought process starts detoriating .

I have stated this many times on this MB . When that happens ,mental lapses begins , and can in most cases cause errors in judgement that can affect a player 's ability in all aspects of the game .

As I have also stated several times on this MB ; our current players JUST DONT KNOW WHAT IT MEANS TO BE A PROFESSIONAL CRICKETER .

It is for that reason why they are a sad sorry bunch of Cry Babies . Maybe it is good that they aint playing County Cricket in England to further embarass us . Because I have no doubt that with the kind of attitude most of them have , the Counties in England would send them packing .

There is however an easy way to remedy this situation , WRITE INTO THEIR CONTRACTS THAT THEY MUST REPORT TO CAMP FIT AT ALL TIMES , FAILURE TO DO THAT ,MEANS 45% DEDUCTION OF THEIR PAY CHECK .
SECOND OFFENSE 65% DEDUCTION .
THIRD OFFENSE OFF THE FREAKING TEAM FOR GOOD .

Granted they aint making the kind of money that players from Australia , England etc are making . BUT BY WEST INDIAN STANDARDS THESE GUYS ARE GETTING TOP DOLLARS . LIVING , DINING AND SLEEPING IN GOOD HOTELS .

But as I have already stated , it seems to me that certain people are being given enough rope to hang themselves , and evidently they dont mind committing HARI KARI .

I am absolutely certain that if they were fit they would have performed well enough to satisfy the fans in the Region .

In reply to FuzzyWuzzy



and your point is?

I see no one has addressed RB's points.

Remember this ?



BK instituted a fitness program that left the players fatigued come match day. Their performances then regressed with the inevutable result that the players became disenchanted with the BK's fitness program.

BK's responsibility, as he readily admits, was to get the players to buy in to his program. By pushing too hard up front so that performances regressed he failed in that responsibility. Maybe he was right and that if the players had stuck with his program they would have reaped the rewards in the long run. However, it's going to be tough selling that to players who could be long dropped by then.

man, some people here does talk some shit!!

Rohan Kanhai pretty much reported to the board that CERTAIN players were indisciplined and lazy. What they do? Fire him!

Now, someone pointed that out and RedMoron questioned Kanhai's behavior as a player! How disgusting can one get to defend the crap that is going on?!!

Kanhai and Sobers would play drunk and yet player much better than these morons. So, why questioning these greats? They delivered the goods!!

What are these guys delivering? Pizza??

Please desist from questioning our greats! They made us proud and gave respect to WI cricket.

Most here ready to blame the coach, yet not able to see that the players are too damn lazy and indisciplined to become professionals.

In reply to googley

maan, doh mek dem rassholes mek you vex, they will do or say anything to justify player indiscipline, or just simply throw red-herrings at you.

In reply to googley



So Kanhai and Sobers, among other "greats", set such "great" examples and when the players that came after emulate them, perhaps not to the letter but in spirit, you blame the followers...not the leaders?

It's just like I said - allyuh condone...approve, even...of unprofessionalism and indiscipline by those who win and see no conflict in condemning the same thing by those who lose.

So, for allyuh c**ts, professionalism and discipline is only necessary when you losing. The "great" winners do not have to set example for lesser mortals to emulate - not according to you jackasses.

If the players are too lazy and indisciplined to become professionals under this coach, that's all the more reason for him to go, since allyuh say that those players are "the best we have" when the squad was chosen.

If he cannot work with "the best we have" - acording to allyuh - then he is of no use and must be replaced.

Or is it that allyuh ready to turn allyuh tongue and no longer saying "is the best we have"??

Allyuh vacillating too much...mek up allyuh frigging minds, one way or the other. This frigging "any how the wind blow" flip-flop mentality by allyuh is unacceptable.

When Kanhai and Sobers used to play, all countries prepared the same way. Times have changed. Commercially u cannot compete in any sector using method's used in d 60s. WI cricket has always been a reflection of our society. Same way we can't compete in da global marketplace anymore these days. Same so in da cricket.

You cannot compare the players from the pre-Packer era with those from the post-Packer era. I do not imply that there is a clear demarcation between these two eras, rather I'm pointing out that post-Packer cricketers have been engaging in highly paid, seriously modern professional sport. That call for accountability, minimum levels of standard, abilities, fitness, and personal responsibility, all of these are in addition to the all the old pre-Packer values of playing for the pride of mother country, resistance and empowerment of the natives in the pre-colonials periods.

from #8 to last place in the next 5 to 10 years in both forms of the game looms large :evil: :evil:

In reply to DIEHARD Absoluteley correct. Basically we were still on the learning curve then and gleaning what we could from English cricket. I has been said that back then the players from both sides went to the pubs etc together after or before games. So it was par for the course. Today with the amount of money and the demands to be #1- something that did not exist then- teams have some rigid as heck training regimen.

It was said that when we were beating everyone Chappel said to LLoyd that they were tired of being beaten by WI and the OZ Board was developing a plan that would eveolve over 10 years to put them at a higher level. Lo and behold whatever they planned it is working as predicted and they are sticking to it.I once read an article on the OZ cricket site where they said that parts of the plan drew from the successes of other teams and a big part was from watching the approach LLoyds team used when on the field.

I dont think it was coincidence that OZ came out with a three prong with a developing leggie named Warne. Warne was essentila to combat what the OZ considered their most important cricket matches the "Ashes". They knew Englands propensisty to collapse to legspin bowling as Warne and others continue to prove. Wheter we believe it or not the rivalry between OZ and England is the biggest thing in Test cricket - no need to say why. We and the others are an afterthough and just a means to add to the coffers. Oz felt that by developing a dominating tean versus England the team will continue to grow from there.

Windies has to 1-target their biggest rival, 2- formulate a plan to chip away at that rival, 3-Find the players that can be tailored to the plan 4- Once players are identified start them early on the 'disciplines' needed if they want to be Test players and stick to it. ( The OZ players now playing doesnt mean that there arent some other other cricketers not putting up great numbers in Ozland. It may well be that some better players dont have the attitude and attributes needed to make the Test team) There may be a reason why some come into the team in the late 20s plus- mental toughness perhaps?

In reply to Scar & Diehard u guys making too much sense for some posters on this board to understand. They have their heads up you know where grasping at anything but to face the facts!

The rest of the world changed and WI remained the same or in some cases took backward steps!