Anybody willing to put Value on Sammys

In reply to Jumpstart,Onionman0

See how low the bar was placed when Caribbean nationals rate Sammy....
They forgot his comments about when they kept losing and recalled the senior players what he was quoted as saying?.
If he was so great, he would have proved it in the CPL...

In reply to sgtdjones

if darren ganga didn't take trinidad to the finals of the CLT20, sammy would have been like a fish out of water with regards to tactics. de man was still following that script up to this year in the world cup when we all agreed that ganga's school of t20s had expired after 2016. even ganga himself couldn't understand why sammy was so reluctant to make adjustments

In reply to Jumpstart



1. I have this unsubstantiated suspicion you are not much older than 32.
2. If Gayle was a good Captain to you then your bar is really low.

If I could be romantic about the brilliant captaincy from times before you were born there was this psychological aspect to it that I think does not exist today. Maybe things that should not be in the sport today.

Pollard would have fit right in. Only problem he would not have been talented enough to make the side.

In reply to sgtdjones



Trinis thought they were good enough to succeed from the union because they won a world club competition.

We are all delusional.

In reply to nick2020

and has the windward or leewards islands teams won anything? the one cpl st kitts won, gues what, a trini was the cappo. the team's highest run scorer was also a trini

In reply to nick2020

The Twin Island Republic has produced some of the best players in T20 world wide...

I have never heard of the T&TCB wanting to go it alone?

Since you are delusional, can you provide any evidence of what you posted...

In reply to nick2020

richardson was a terrible captain. in fact shane warne does not have him as captain of the best WI XI he played against, despite playing twice against WI teams captained by richardson. lara lost against teams that had more firepower than us. the only exception was the SA series in98, and the biggest factor in that series were off field matters. When england came here in 2004, their attack was harmison, flintoff, jones and hoggard. wi attack was edwards, colleymore and tino. there way no way in hell we were going to beat them. when australia came here in 2003, we had dave bernard jr, jermaine lawson and tino.....again, no way we were going to beat them in a series

In reply to sgtdjones



The trinis on here looked for an exit plan. The cricketers knew better

In reply to Jumpstart



There you go again youngster - selectively deciding who you want to listen to because he is saying what you want to hear.



and then you quote Shane Warne?

In reply to Halliwell

Ypu correct. He's able to do well managing the right set of fellas for real. Reminds me of people like Mourino. They need to have a certain type of fellas to be able to pull the best out of them.

In reply to nick2020



When did Trinidad win a world championship?

In reply to nick2020


you not fed up showing your ignorance in public patnas

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cricket/shane-warne-picks-greatest-west-indies-xi-names-brian-lara-skipper/story-CJONRw65aEmKzklAGaxTpJ.html

shane warne was more respected in international cricket than the uncouth oaf, ricky ponting homes.

In reply to Jumpstart

you wrote off one person for alcoholism and chose to listen to another?

In reply to nick2020

Well when that person is .00000005% of the world, then I think that that person’s opine is pretty irrelevant

In reply to Jumpstart

Hey quick question how come Ganga is given credit for being a tactically great T20 captain didn’t he basically have a WI T20 Team if we’re being honest he didn’t really have to do much tactically when he already had the best players on the park just like Sammy ehh???

Now Ramnaresh Sarwan on the other hand had a team of literal nobodies and won the regional T20 crown a couple times I believe and also led GAW to a few Finals as well why isn’t he given more credit than both Sammy & Ganga???

In reply to WIfan26

You see because Ganga created a style of t20 cricket. Caribbean people may have known about pollard before the second Stanford tournament, but nobody else really. Pollard and bravo didn’t get ipl contracts until after the champions league in 2009. Those guys were hungry before 2009, they weren’t stars. They were after the champions league run though and Ganga moulded that team. Firstly he was significantly older than the rest of the side and I believe that helps. Secondly, his tactics were never nonsensical even though, like Dwayne Bravo’s tactics, they could be funky, a little unorthodox but never nonsensical

In reply to powen001

Well said Bro!

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In reply to doosra

Bad link bruh

In reply to powen001



On the contrary...... Sammy was made captain of all formats, by Hunte, when he hardly had any performance to boost....he was blue eyed establishment boy.....inspite of winning 2012 World Cup as captain......his personal performance in all formats was abysmal.....

Immediately, after Cameron was elected, he replaced Sammy with Dwayne Bravo as ODI cappo..........Ramdin replaced Sammy as test cappo.....his own performance was totally nil....he knew his days were numbered.....he would eventually be dropped....from T20.....even his performance in World Cup T20 batting @2.66 and bowling @31 with 1 wicket r.p.o. 10 .... with just 3 overs bowl.....

Thereafter, he rebelled against Cameron,when he did not have anything to loose......

Then immediately, campaigned against Cameron,....as soon as Cameron lost the election....Skerritt, the new President made him independent Director of CWI....thereafter, going beyond the rules and regulations was made white ball head coach by Shallow...

To me, Sammy knows the Art of staying with the establishment.....reap benefits.....

His story is.....a man with very limited cricket abilities...as his stats clearly shows.....has been reaping benefits since 2011..... simply by staying with the power...

In reply to imusic

fixed

In reply to Onionman0

NOW we at break.


I see you want to not only rewrite history in some of those posits but you pretty good with the blender at mixing facts with biased opinion.

I COULD challenge but why bother when I can ask one question.

Tell me of one cricketer - apart from bonafide under performer cry baby Bravo who complained about Sammys leadership or value to the team.

In reply to powen001

You always saying that ppl rewriting history but never provide even one stat to prove your point

In reply to Jumpstart

Sammy on debut had 7 wickets.



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